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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Grantham View Post
    What would these numbers need to be to justify interventions targeted at interrupting chains of transmission?
    interventions targeted at interrupting chains of transmission which interventions are you referring to?

    -shutting down businesses?
    -forcing people to wear masks everywhere they go?
    -censorship of opinions as well as facts that run counter to the government course of action?
    -fines for non-compliance?
    -arrest for non compliance?
    -deliberately placing the sick in nursing homes with the most vulnerable?
    -rushing through vaccines with very high rates of correlation with adverse reactions and death?
    -forcing people to get said vaccine or lose their job?
    -forcing people to get vaccine or lose ability to travel?

    What actions are the effective ones? Does it even matter?

    What would the numbers of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease have to be to justify forcing people to wear fitness trackers, monitor their calorie intake, arresting them for possessing a doughnut, or cigarettes? What about forcing closed business that sell junk food? Censoring anyone who presents counter arguments? De-platforming groups like fit at any size and labeling them miss information? Fining people for gaining weight? Taking custody of their children because they smoke or provide food that the government has decided is bad?

    But if you called it something innocuous like “Interventions targeting disease reduction.” it doesn’t sound so bad.

    Since when did acting supersede the need to know if the action would be effective? Since When did acting supersede the need to consider any consequences? Since when did we adopt the stance that the people who make these decisions are infallible and must never be questioned? When did we adopt this mentality that the ends justify the means and in the name of the greater good we will take any action just to be seen as taking action? When did we lose our morality?

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    If this is real, does anyone have an explanation for the magnet phenomenon? THE COVID VACCINE MAGNET CHALLENGE - The Highwire-1573

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    Why does it have to be a microchip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Harlin View Post
    interventions targeted at interrupting chains of transmission which interventions are you referring to?

    -shutting down businesses?
    -forcing people to wear masks everywhere they go?
    -censorship of opinions as well as facts that run counter to the government course of action?
    -fines for non-compliance?
    -arrest for non compliance?
    -deliberately placing the sick in nursing homes with the most vulnerable?
    -rushing through vaccines with very high rates of correlation with adverse reactions and death?
    -forcing people to get said vaccine or lose their job?
    -forcing people to get vaccine or lose ability to travel?

    What actions are the effective ones? Does it even matter?

    What would the numbers of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease have to be to justify forcing people to wear fitness trackers, monitor their calorie intake, arresting them for possessing a doughnut, or cigarettes? What about forcing closed business that sell junk food? Censoring anyone who presents counter arguments? De-platforming groups like fit at any size and labeling them miss information? Fining people for gaining weight? Taking custody of their children because they smoke or provide food that the government has decided is bad?

    But if you called it something innocuous like “Interventions targeting disease reduction.” it doesn’t sound so bad.

    Since when did acting supersede the need to know if the action would be effective? Since When did acting supersede the need to consider any consequences? Since when did we adopt the stance that the people who make these decisions are infallible and must never be questioned? When did we adopt this mentality that the ends justify the means and in the name of the greater good we will take any action just to be seen as taking action? When did we lose our morality?
    Absolutely brilliant.

    Wish it could fit on a t-shirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Harlin View Post

    When did we lose our morality?
    They used to have newspaper dispensers out on the streets. You would put coins in and the door would open. You were supposed to take one, not all of them. But you certainly could take them all and people occasionally did. Bums, in particular, would take the entire pile and sell them freelance or make a blanket. The newspaper companies knew all this.

    Does this answer your question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Harlin View Post
    But if you called it something innocuous like “Interventions targeting disease reduction.” it doesn’t sound so bad.
    If you add the chains of transmission WHO-speak thing, it even sounds noble. Does anybody remember last summer when the epidemiologist SWAT teams were doing the Test, Trace, Isolate thing of braking chains of transmission? It reminded me of when Caligula had his soldiers stab the ocean with spears because he went into war with Neptune. The line in my part of the world they were so tired from braking chains of transmission, they were falling asleep on their feet. Hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilead View Post
    If this is real, does anyone have an explanation for the magnet phenomenon? THE COVID VACCINE MAGNET CHALLENGE - The Highwire-1573
    Global warming?

    (Btw, don’t be an idiot. Leave that to me.)

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    India
    Last 30 days
    Uttar Pradesh with 17% of the country pop had 2.5% of the deaths and less than 1% of the cases.
    Maharashtra with 9% of the pop had 18% of the cases and 50% of the total deaths.
    Maharashtra is India's pharma hub
    Uttar Pradesh is the champion in using ivermectin https://twitter.com/jjchamie/status/1413688158106099713/photo/1
    India 3, 6, 9 and 12 month analysis show the same results
    Maharashtra is India's pharma hub and it is the worst at managing COVID. Uttar Pradesh is the champion in using ivermectin and it is the BEST at managing COVID https://twitter.com/jjchamie/status/1413907120592990213/photo/1

    Is Maharashtra showing more COVID cases because they are testing more than Uttar Pradesh? NO,
    Total COVID test in Maharashtra: 44 million
    Positivity: 14.0%
    Total COVID tests in Uttar Pradesh: 60 million
    Positivity: 2.8%
    https://twitter.com/jjchamie/status/...106099713?s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Harlin View Post

    What would the numbers of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease have to be to justify forcing people to wear fitness trackers, monitor their calorie intake, arresting them for possessing a doughnut, or cigarettes? What about forcing closed business that sell junk food?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    It’s also interesting to ask what these numbers would need to be to NOT have intervention.

    As we’ve discussed since the first day, the “ better safe than sorry” threshold for action is a baseless goal and is the antithesis of policy “following the science”.
    I agree.

    I'd be interested to put a number on it though. Would an IFR that is 3 times greater....times greater...10 times greater...100 times greater reason enough for interventions to be necessary?

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