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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiva Kaul View Post
    U07.2 is part of ICD-10 but not (yet) ICD-10-CM; the US follows the latter. From what I can tell, U07.2 groups all the “likely / suspected / ...” COVID-19 diagnoses, unlike the US guidelines, in which they are assigned disparate codes based on the specific presentation of symptoms.
    Come on, Shiva, nobody cares about this shit. Can a doctor or hospital be coerced/paid/incentivized to code for a COVID-19 death in the absence of evidence that COVID-19 actually caused the death? Can it happen? Is it possible? Because we've all heard that it is, that it's happening, and that the government has ever reason to push in this direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    Currently there is less human activity but the same number of law enforcers. I donít know if crime is up or down during this period of total house arrest, but certain crimes must be down, like speeding tickets, bar fights, home robberies, etc.

    Is there an incentive for police to stay relevant by continuing to make arrests and give citations?
    From what I've read, home burglary down, business burglary up. Seattle is reporting a 87% increase Rantz: Seattle burglary explodes 87% downtown after coronavirus policy, crisis Domestic violence is up, makes sense if you're trapped with your abuser.

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    In relation to how deaths are classified, I though Dr. Birx already publicly stated all deaths that have any connection to CV will be classed as CV cause of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    Currently there is less human activity but the same number of law enforcers. I donít know if crime is up or down during this period of total house arrest, but certain crimes must be down, like speeding tickets, bar fights, home robberies, etc.

    Is there an incentive for police to stay relevant by continuing to make arrests and give citations?
    Anecdotal - it's down in our area quite a bit. Just checking the mugshots, it's easily down 50% or more. I have to imagine part of it is what you stated ("everyone" is home now, not gonna rob that house) although I have seen stories of businesses being hit.

    NYC has a few thousand cops now positive. There's probably some disincentive to arrest someone not knowing if they're positive, and knowing that certain areas are releasing prisoners early due to Covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald Boggs View Post
    In relation to how deaths are classified, I though Dr. Birx already publicly stated all deaths that have any connection to CV will be classed as CV cause of death.
    We all saw/heard her, and Fauci as well. I don't understand Shiva's position here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Come on, Shiva, nobody cares about this shit. Can a doctor or hospital be coerced/paid/incentivized to code for a COVID-19 death in the absence of evidence that COVID-19 actually caused the death? Can it happen? Is it possible? Because we've all heard that it is, that it's happening, and that the government has ever reason to push in this direction.
    As the podcast mentioned, the test for this disease is very unreliable and takes all sorts of inferences. It's an RNA pull apart and then match up the coding of the cell (GTCA) and if it matches with the "Corona 19" bio weapon then it is a positive ID. The problem is, some testers say 70% together is a positive match, some testers say 90% is a positive match. Well, if 70% is a match, then you have more cases to panic over, and you can lower the threshold to 65 or 60% match if your cases are drying up and you need a bit more panic mongering in the media for your big gov't power grab narrative. If you heighten the percentage match now you have less cases but a higher death rate because people dying with it most likely will have some form of influenza or virus that will match and you have less cases of the virus identified. The tolerances will be titrated either which way based upon the narrative the media and the people behind the curtain are trying to press on that certain day.

    The problem with this is that it's all BS. Humans always have billions or trillions of virus, bacteria, and other sorts of cells on us at any time of the day. We are very cool organisms. When all the dust settles I'm sure it will be HIP HIP HOORAY, no influenza deaths during the months of March and April lol. Look at the charts, look at the charts, the charts got "exponential" (cumulative in my mind) AFTER the lockdown started!!!! The die was cast in February. Everyone in the whole world was exposed to this virus in February. Now we are just titillating with numbers and seeing that when ppl stay at home and don't do anything all day their immune system is lowered and waoh waoh woah, now there are MORE CASES OMG this thing CANT BE BEAT. But somehow China beat it.

    It's sad. What's terrifying though is we are literally living in greater than 1984 level narc level socialism in America. What's scarier is how quickly and eagerly our American citizens RELISHED this prospect and LOVE narcing out their fellow Americans. This socialism is scary. Co-worker doing a bit better than you at work? Bro I saw him sneezing, spread that around, everyone shirks you for a day. Don't like a co-worker? Bro you are sneezing a lot, are you sure it's ok. And once it's been said the current socialism culture EATS UP the bait because our culture has been shaped to have more fun destroying a prosperous individual than actually building themselves.

    Guys this is it. I'm not a panic monger, or a sky is falling guy. But this is it. This is the beginning of the end. And all the gun-toting high-faluting waaar I'm free Americans just lined up and took it almost as if it was a fantasy they had been waiting for. Alex Jones is about to have a existential meltdown because if you look at how they are playing the markets, the medical field and the American people together against each other it makes a man with self-conscious liberal abilities want to cry.

    What's sad to me is to watch a shining beacon of hope destroy itself with out any appreciable outward physical threat over the last 20 years. If you were sentient in the 90s you would understand (and no I'm not saying the 90s were better because I'm reminiscing, I'm saying I didn't live in a 2nd world country 20 years ago and now I do, quickly falling to a 2nd world hellscape).

    Sorry bros....... the die was cast and we pretty much missed the whole enchilada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    We all saw/heard her, and Fauci as well. I don't understand Shiva's position here.
    Cause of death is complicated. If someone has congestive heart failure, and they are kind of sick for a few years now, then they get covid, and they canít maintain their oxygen levels and get exhausted and put on a ventilator, then get a bacterial pneumonia and get septic... the primary cause of their death is bacterial sepsis. But what do you think their family will say they died from? Certainly their death is covid-related, no? In Mass you can list a primary and 2 contributing factors, as well as ďother significant conditions.Ē I donít know about other states, and I donít know if mentioning covid anywhere in the chain of causes gets a death labeled as a ďcovid death.Ē It probably does.

    If you get hit by a car, and have a traumatic brain injury, and get intubated while you have brain swelling, you may get aspiration pneumonia and die. What was the cause of death? Pneumonia? I think it was the TBI due to the car accident, and I think your lawyers and the jury will agree. Many people with Alzheimerís die of pneumonia, caused by poor swallowing. Isnít AD a cause of death for them, since it caused the swallowing problem?

    Itís tough in some cases to determine whether someone dies ďofĒ covid or ďwithĒ covid, but it will come down to the judgment of the individual doctor filling out the death certificate. And that doctor may be a trainee (resident) and they are undoubtedly trying to get the paperwork done fast, maybe in the wee hours, so they can get back to taking care of their living patients. There may be some influence from hospital policy in this case, but I think that will be less of a factor than you might think. In the few death certificates I have filled out, I have put whatever I thought made the most sense, in terms of immediate and contributing causes, and never had any input from an administrator or anyone else. But these deaths were not of any political significance as Covid deaths are.

    Yes, medical data is messy. And real-time medical/public health data is terrible, but itís what we have.

    After this is over, someone will pull a huge sample of death certificates and medical records for various regions during this time period, and review them to determine rates of under- and over-coding for covid, and the data will get tightened up. This will take a while, and will include looking at scans of thousands of handwritten death certificates and millions of pages of medical records where important info is a needle in a haystack. Sounds like fun, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpalios View Post
    I also don't see how this all ends...on May 1? What's the difference between April 30 and May 1?
    The thing that will have changed is the task of being a hero by doing nothing will have been completed.

    They will congratulate us for our anti-social distancing and for obeying the Shudder In Place orders and then congratulate themselves for saving us.

    The same idiots who thought that even though we were told that we would see a number 400% higher than we will actually see, even if we did everything perfect (which anyone who has even gone shopping once can see never happened), will be so happy about the success we all caused that they will just accept the next task just as blindly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald Boggs View Post
    In relation to how deaths are classified, I though Dr. Birx already publicly stated all deaths that have any connection to CV will be classed as CV cause of death.
    There are two separate issues. The first is: if an old smoker with coronary artery disease gets COVID-19 (unquestionably) and then dies, what actually killed them? That is a somewhat philosophical question, what Fauci/Birx were addressing. Because COVID-19 is what actually brought them to the hospital, it would be considered the principal diagnosis.

    The other issue: can a healthcare provider guess (or fabricate) a diagnosis of COVID-19, and then have that count as a confirmed COVID-19 death? The answer to that is: no, or at least, it is against national published guidance, and therefore against the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Come on, Shiva, nobody cares about this shit. Can a doctor or hospital be coerced/paid/incentivized to code for a COVID-19 death in the absence of evidence that COVID-19 actually caused the death? Can it happen? Is it possible? Because we've all heard that it is, that it's happening, and that the government has ever reason to push in this direction.
    Is your understanding of medical incentives and reimbursement thorough enough to accuse doctors of fraud? Here's a test question. An insured (say, Medicaid) and an uninsured patient present for emergency surgery. According to the incentives, which patient gets the more time-consuming, resource-intensive, technically-advanced surgery?

    I obviously cannot rule out fraud, but the incentives are more complex than "hospital gets rained in $$ if they bill for COVID-19". For this type of care, hospitals and doctors get the raw deal, not insurance companies. I know a hospital admin who confirmed this is indeed the case for COVID-19.

    You guys are right about the big picture: the lethality of the disease is outweighed by the lockdown's damage to the economy and civil liberties. There's no need to look for conspiracies in every corner.

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