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    Quote Originally Posted by UFPASquat View Post
    Longtime lurker, first time poster. Thought this was good… your body my choice? - by el gato malo - bad cattitude
    It's very good.

    if we take as a guiding principal that people must submit, even against their will, to health interventions they would not willingly choose in order to serve the common good and keep hospital availability high by not using up scarce resources so that others might have them at need, what other policies can we justify?

    well, quite a few it would seem.

    how about demanding that all obese people submit immediately to forced programs of exercise, dietary restriction, and even surgical intervention such as lap bands if they fail to lose enough weight to drop their risk to a societally determined acceptable level? 30-50% of health spending in the US can, one way or another, be traced back to obesity. imagine how much we could save and how much would be left for the rest of us if we took a “zero corpulence” policy to heart.

    shall we declare ourselves out of patience with this epidemic of BMI and demand not just an accounting but action on what their refusal has cost us all? if not, why not?

    after all, exercise and good diet have almost entirely positive side effects. what have they got to lose apart from 30 pounds and 3 comorbidities? shouldn’t the labor and health agencies force them to do what is right for themselves and all of us? the help against even covid would be profound. or is this simply a choice we have no right to force on people just because it might benefit us?

    provoked yet? let’s get more provocative.

    young male members of certain minority groups account for a vast share of gunshot wounds (and gunshot wound infliction) in this country. gun control has zero effect on this and seems to actually make it worse. (look at the top cities/neighborhoods for shooting deaths)

    but we could almost certainly stop this with medical interventions using testosterone blockers or mood stabilizers like xanax or klonopin. do these groups owe it to us to take these drugs they do not want in order to stop clogging ER’s and surgical suites with needless wounds and inflicting such harm on others in society? we might make neighborhoods far safer and more livable as a knock on effect! or do we think maybe this is a grotesque violation of human rights and a form of presumptive punishment over what someone MIGHT or is merely statistically likely to do?

    shall we deny medical care to people with diabetes who fail to take sufficient care of themselves to keep their A1C’s within safe ranges? if they will not put in the time to care for themselves, why should medicare and medicaid spend something on the order of 15-20% of their total outlays to manage the ill effects of the microvascular damage and other problems arising from poor glycemic management? if these people will not follow federal guidelines for care, why should federal funds be spent to pay for the costs of “their refusal” on all of us? or is maybe vilifying people for a medical condition and extorting them into compliance by dire threats and vicious moral opprobrium just plain evil?

    i could go on and on here, but i suspect by now you get the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFPASquat View Post
    Longtime lurker, first time poster. Thought this was good… your body my choice? - by el gato malo - bad cattitude
    Strong first post.

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    How the Pandemic Is Changing the Norms of Science - Tablet Magazine

    Article by John Ioannidis. He sounds disappointed about what the internet and tech companies have done to Science.

    The Australian version of the CDC has effectively banned doctors from prescribing ivermectin. New restrictions on prescribing ivermectin for COVID-19 | Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA)
    "All medical practitioners can continue to prescribe oral ivermectin for the approved indications. However, prescribing of oral ivermectin for indications that are not approved is now limited to certain specialists."

    So... our prison population shouldn't pay attention to this. Ivermectin: calculating a dose

    Question for Texans - in the last 10 minutes or so of the Rogan podcast with Tom Segura, they both said their kids had to wear masks at school. I assumed Texas was relatively free of that nonsense...no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ads View Post
    Question for Texans - in the last 10 minutes or so of the Rogan podcast with Tom Segura, they both said their kids had to wear masks at school. I assumed Texas was relatively free of that nonsense...no?
    Depends on the jurisdiction. There are concentrations of stupidity all over the state.

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    Rogan moved to Austin, not Texas.

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    Lots of people made the same mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFPASquat View Post
    Longtime lurker, first time poster. Thought this was good… your body my choice? - by el gato malo - bad cattitude
    Some really good stuff in this one:

    no power such as this once granted to the state is ever used once or in only one way by only one group. they’ll find a new place, a new time, a new pretext, and they WILL do this again. leaving weapons like this lying around is a surety that they will be once more wielded and next time, it may be by someone you really, really hate against something you really, really love.

    and that’s why you cannot let desire to see a thing happen blind you to what the granting of the power to impose that thing imperils.

    it can and will boomerang and you’d damn well better be sure you’re OK with the politician you hate most wielding that power you just handed over. because one day, they will.

    so, are you sure you want to tell doctors what medical choices they are required to make for themselves? are you really qualified? and will you meekly accept this same treatment when the come for your speech or your livelihood or your children next? because they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    It’s occurred to me, duh, that I’ve been OSHA certified for respirators for 20yrs. An annual written test and a practical test, where sealing and exhaled gases are measured under physical exercise. Toe touching, speaking, grimacing, etc.

    Now I realize that respirators are not the same as surgical style masks, but they are all about technical specs. Filtration, shelf life, inspections, etc. In fact very few people ever get certified for working in known lethal environments. Mostly it’s for chemicals, radiation, toxic dust, irritants etc that have temporary or long term health concerns.

    This begs two questions: why don’t masks covered by mask mandates have any specifications whatsoever?
    And, if masks are intended to protect against something lethal, why is the general public allowed to be exposed?
    There was some kernel of trying to do a public campaign on how to wear masks, with graphics and shit, but they gave up on that early on. My favorite bit is the instructions on how to wash your hands.

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    Fun numbers from Denninger: I Hate Being Right in [Market-Ticker-Nad]

    Look at the first table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    The vaccine mandates are pushed out far enough (not counting legal pauses) such that BOTH the unvacinated and the recently vaccinated will take the blame too.

    While almost unbearably dishonest, it is a very impressive strategy.
    And they have managed to infiltrate every race community and religion with this divide and conquer strategy. It's fucking diabolically genius!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    And, if masks are intended to protect against something lethal, why is the general public allowed to be exposed?
    and this exactly why it was always about compliance and signaling. Never was it about health.

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