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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Laureys View Post

    Can someone older here fill me in on how strong the anti-Soviet sentiment was back in the day, how fearful this Cold War made us feel in everyday life? I'm trying to figure out this gut reaction to all things Russian, regardless of the facts on the ground!

    I think it predates the Cold War back to the communist revolution. While the actual numbers are confusing and debatable, the big three for killing civilians in the name of ideology is Stalin, Hitler, and Mao. So I would say anti Soviet sentiment goes back to 1920 and is deeply feared for crimes against Humanity.

    I have no idea how much current fear is legacy or embellishment. But you asked. I have also observed that at the time Reagan won the Cold War, the US left gushed over Russia. Rush Limbaugh often said the MSM people are having Gorbasms. Now, not so much, especially during the 2016 election fiction of Trump-Russian collusion. The right, however, has been consistently fearful and suspicious of Russia from the beginning.

    Too bad we ran my friend Mark Hurling off because he understands this stuff remarkably well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    We haven't looked at this in a while, because it's not really worth discussing, except to demonstrate the perfidy of the Media: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOOaSeWW...jpg&name=small

    Lia Thomas, before and after "enhancement by NBC News. There is no defense for the Media.
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    Think about all the "respectable middle class professionals" that were needed to make the sadistic abuse of this girl possible.

    "I was just being inclusive" will be the Globohomo version of "I was just following orders".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    Too bad we ran my friend Mark Hurling off because he understands this stuff remarkably well.
    Oh I'm still around. Just on the sidelines watching the prevailing churn in this thread and glad to be mainly disinterested in some of the rabbit hole warren branches this is taking. Kinda like watching Mao's cultural revolution back when it simply burned the worst of it's excesses out.

    As I see it, Russia has been up and down in the US at least since Seward's Folly when we bought Alaska from them. But then too, even before that McClellan was an Bobserver of the Crimean War because the US was curious about the goings on and were always eager to see the Brits maybe take on on the nose during it. Things seemed pretty good when TR helped save some shreds of rooskie dignity with the treaty ending the Russo-Japanese War. The US was the safety valve for some of the revolutionaries like Red Emma Goldman and others. Of course that pack of malcontents were the origin of what could be called the left in the US these days. Elements of the print media (the only real media of the 19th and around half of the 20th Centuries alternately celebrated the rooskies or despised them. Twain hated the Czars, as a case in point.

    Things got goosy here when the Balkans started heating up as the Austro-Hungarian Empire continued to decay leading up to the Great War. The Czars were all over it then supporting what they called the "little Russians" (AKA the Serbs) back then. It made many Americans and some of the media nervous, depending on if you were a capitalist or a revolutionary. There weren't many Serbs in the US then and most of the ones here were scattered out in steel mills in urban areas but more so in mines in remote rural areas. Southern Illinois for instance still has a surprising scattering of them who used to mine coal here. No one really rallied to their concern here. Some headline ink on atrocities in the Balkans and suspicions of rooskie agents provocateurs and mercenaries there, but not much else. The desire to stay out of those entangling interlocking treaties in Europe kept Wilson on the sidelines. Besides, he had bigger fish to fry just then with a hot revolution in Mexico with Pancho Villa to keep an eye on.

    Come the revolution, the US was neck deep in the trenches. But they did send 13000 troops to aid the Whites after the Great War was over. No support at all for the bolsheviks. This remained the story until FDR allied with Stalin to beat Hitler. Which was also wildly unpopular with many in the US. Even so, we held our noses until Germany was dealt with and an uneasy peace was agreed upon at Potsdam. Truman didn't like or trust them. The Cold War began and the Rosenbergs' espionage (along with other less notables) put the frosting on the cake.

    I'm hard pressed to think of any change to that position other than what BC described under Ronaldus Magnus. That was when Ted Kennedy and others of his ilk sought political traction for dems by aligning with Gorby as a counterweight to a POTUS with a gift for public speaking that stymied them without the sharp edge that Trump employed. Hence, the enemy of my enemy was my friend for dems just then.

    All that cooled a bit post-Reagan as I recall with the US mostly lording it over the now disintegrated CCCP as it descended into kleptocracy. I can't say I liked it earlier or now when Trump would get friendly with the rooskies. But then it could have all been part and parcel of Trump's ambiguous policy statements. Just now, I can't say I am confident that anything in the reporting of the happenings in Ukraine can be relied upon as anything like truth.

    I'm going back into mainly disinterested observation mode. You folk enjoy yourselves and keep looking hard for apostasy.

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    The illusion of evidence based medicine.

    In the BMJ, no less.

    "The pharmaceutical industry’s responsibility to its shareholders means that priority must be given to their hierarchical power structures, product loyalty, and public relations propaganda over scientific integrity. Although universities have always been elite institutions prone to influence through endowments, they have long laid claim to being guardians of truth and the moral conscience of society. But in the face of inadequate government funding, they have adopted a neo-liberal market approach, actively seeking pharmaceutical funding on commercial terms."

    "Our proposals for reforms include: liberation of regulators from drug company funding; taxation imposed on pharmaceutical companies to allow public funding of independent trials; and, perhaps most importantly, anonymised individual patient level trial data posted, along with study protocols, on suitably accessible websites so that third parties, self-nominated or commissioned by health technology agencies, could rigorously evaluate the methodology and trial results. "

    Changing topic, the follow up to Ukraine on Fire, Revealing Ukraine is worth a look as it touches on US involvement, including the Bidens.

    I haven't watched it yet, but there is also a doco from 2016 called Donbass, Directed and filmed by Anne-Laure Bonnel.

    Not suggesting any of these films are the ultimate 'truth', as that word has seemingly lost most of its meaning, but MSM deifying Zelensky and whitewashing Ukraine's corruption is surreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Notice that the word "China" does not appear in your post. An oversight? Or is this just "The Bible tells me so"?
    China is not part of the old roman empire. Although the RCC would like to control the world like it did back when the Popes ruled, which really is just an extension of the old Roman empire. Instead of a Caesar you have a Pope being the Vicar Of Christ, he has supreme authority over all the earth and its kings and nations or so says the Roman Church. You have to look at the Roman Church as political entity with a coat of religious paint. The Pope is received as a head of state wherever he goes, but the Communists in China don't like him because he has more power over more people than they do. That is why the Huguenots left France to escape persecution as the RCC controlled France. Putin is a saint when compared to these folk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Laureys View Post
    This is quite simple rk, you can pick and choose which MSM you agree with regarding civilian deaths and infrastructure damage in Russia, much like you could choose with COVID.

    I'm in a debate with my close uncle over this very thing right now; he too was onboard with what was really up with COVID but has gone overboard on this Russia stuff- he keeps shouting about the Ukrainians sufferring dEaTh aNd DeStruCtIon.

    Can someone older here fill me in on how strong the anti-Soviet sentiment was back in the day, how fearful this Cold War made us feel in everyday life? I'm trying to figure out this gut reaction to all things Russian, regardless of the facts on the ground!


    But at the end of the day, it comes down to this: do you think Putin can/should keep enemies' alliances as far away from his borders as possible, can/should protect his ethnic brothers when under attack, and can/should employ force when diomacy fails? I would say that the newest #MuhRussia madness boils down to your opinions on THAT, just like with the two-sided presentation presentation of COVID "facts," it all came down to whether you thought the federal government even possessed the powers to enact such restrictions, regardless of circumstance (it doesn't).

    And BTW I'm sick of "conservatives" like Denniger (even Tucker!) qualifying their analyses of this and other conflicts with admissions that, nonetheless, Putin=BAD. He's no more of an asshole than Republicans "want poor people dead" when they pursue certain policies. So, next time, think of the childish, visceral propaganda you must be internalizing, when you exclaim how BAD that tricky Russkie Putin is.

    I would tell Denniger this directly on his board, but he has displayed himself to be 1000x less tolerant of critique and insult than our magnanimous host Rip here is.
    Well, we had nuclear attack drills when I was in grade school. Apparently, hiding under desks stops the blast wave and radiation, or so they told us. At 10 years old, I knew it was all a bunch of bullshit.

    Lots of people built underground bunkers. As kids, we did the same for fun.

    The state media fear porn has been at work for quite a while, but back then it was not nearly as obtrusive as now. Operation Mockingbird has really branched out with technology.

    I remember back around 1980 I was quite offended when a fellow engineering student offered me to read a book he had that was titled something like "A Russian History of WWII," which basically blamed the war on the USA. Somehow, it seems to be playing out the same way now as back then...

    By the way, I grew up in the 70s right across the street from the Detroit Tank Arsenal, and the factory that produced M1 Abrams tanks, where I eventually worked in research and development. I guess we figured we were a prime target during the cold war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark E. Hurling View Post
    Oh I'm still around. Just on the sidelines watching the prevailing churn in this thread and glad to be mainly disinterested in some of the rabbit hole warren branches this is taking. Kinda like watching Mao's cultural revolution back when it simply burned the worst of it's excesses out.
    And yet, somehow, the first time your name is mentioned, you ride in to rescue the benighted with your decades of wisdom accumulated in the Martial Arts and Back-Alley Takedowns, tempered with the calming effects of DB and hours each day memorizing The World Book Encyclopedia, only to dazzle us again with clever prose stuffed with cutenesses, such as "I'm hard pressed to think of any change to that position other than what BC described under Ronaldus Magnus. That was when Ted Kennedy and others of his ilk sought political traction for dems by aligning with Gorby as a counterweight to a POTUS with a gift for public speaking that stymied them without the sharp edge that Trump employed."

    I, for one, enjoyed the break. But you're welcome to post.

    Quote Originally Posted by mkm5 View Post
    I remember back around 1980 I was quite offended when a fellow engineering student offered me to read a book he had that was titled something like "A Russian History of WWII," which basically blamed the war on the USA. Somehow, it seems to be playing out the same way now as back then....
    It's really amazing to realize that we don't really "know" any history at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovan Dragisic View Post
    Hey, I am an end-of-times guy myself, but I think the eschatological stories are really stories about an internal struggle, not about real life events.
    I like to call it eschatological tension. Events from the past are being fulfilled in the present. For example Russia's failure in Chechnya is being repeated in the Ukraine, perhaps to its eventual downfall. Same for the US, the war in Vietnam repeated in Afghanistan.

    Australia having not learned from the past that you cannot build towns on floods plains continues to have massive floods on these plains, this time destroying Lismore which has had in the past survived, but this time near total loss of that city. Caused by global warming? Nope, just not learning from the past.

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    Pre-Soviet Union we both didn't need their resources, and we also didn't need to spend the money getting it here. Logistics and technology have come a very long way, and worldwide demands have greatly increased. Europe needed resources because so much of it was shelled and bombed to dust and ash. Par for the course for Europe, though. They have a long, rich history of spending blood and wealth on wars.

    We don't need any of Russia's resources now, either. We've spent several decades twisting the vise closed on our own nuts in the name of "free trade" and making sure we stave off the climate disaster we're also simultaneously causing that remains just over the horizon.

    How is everyone not utterly tired of this bullshit, yet? I didn't make it four decades. Do people just not believe it can be fixed? There's quite a bit of unnecessary suffering that can be alleviated for a fraction of what we subsidize solar panels for..

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