I think you need to take a breath and read what I said again. The idea of slavery sickens me as well, but to argue that the American founding fathers were not a product of their times is completely asinine.
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This little detour conversation about slavery really demonstrates the power of the mind-virus. Heritage Americans no longer have the luxury of time to be engaging with these hamstringing arguments about slavery, white supremacy or the holocaust - which are uniquely applied to them. No dignity? No future. It's that simple.
Instead people should be finding ways to defend their way of life (which also happens to be the historical norm) against people who arrived there two generations ago, at best, and whose entire livelihood is sustained by theft and depravity.
There are people that indirectly and involuntarily profit from slavery, and then there are slave owners. For me these are seperate categories. So no, people are not bad for buying cheap junk. At least not nearly as bad as people who are enslaving those who produce it. I'm sure it was the same back then, it's not like every single white american owned slaves, but the whole country benefitted from their enslavement.
My point is about the act itself. It is not different if you are the first one to do it or the 10.000th one, it's still bad, especially, to reiterate my statement, if you consider yourself enlightened and a fighter for freedom.
Understanding the consequences of people's actions in the past relative to our current life is one thing. Idolizing characters from the past is another.
I believe my point is the exact opposite.
We have very little to do with people in the past, in the nationalistic sense that was brought up here. The fact that those people were born 200 years ago in the same piece of land you were randomly born on, does not make you anything. You are a human and you live your own life. So no, I don't expect anyone today to do anything on behalf of other people who lived 200 years ago. Just like I don't expect someone to be proud to be born on the same land as some character from the past, because pride comes through personal achievement, not historical references.
Also, Aztecs are not asked to do anything because I believe the spanish killed them all a long time ago. Whereas white americans who descend from slave owners are still here, as well as black americans who descend from slaves
That was obviously part of it. But material greed beats faith by a long shot, so I say it was mostly for money and power. Their faith might have helped them with their own conscience, justifying their actions, but they knew what they were doing and why they were doing it
Being owned by the crown and being owned by another human is different. Just like today we are all owned by the banking system for example, but it's not the same as being owned in a chinese internment camp or an african mining cave.
Saying they were a product of their time doesn't justify this on a moral level, which was my point. That's why I said that some humans are simply pieces of shit, no matter what time they live in.
You wanna know who the american founding fathers were? How about the millions of slaves who actually did all the work?
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Lockdowners apparently committed a genocide on young people to the tune of 170k in the US alone.
Protestants are like that, personal judgement and all. This permits them to read Leviticus, but conveniently ignore the First Letters to Timothy and the Corinthians denouncing slave traders and advising manumission.
We treat people like slaves now, only with money, but it's the same difference and will have the same consequences of Rome. Slavery is the reason the Roman empire collapsed upon it's own weight, it creates very very bad internal rot and we are enslaving so many people in the US via illegal systems and ect ect it's too much to go into but we are, and slavery results in poor workers with a lack of free will or poor decision making processes because to be a good slave is not what's required to be an overcoming awesome worker.
I believe we are in a very very dark place as a country, and really need to self examine how we treat others so that we can get back on track, away from slavery, away from this sick form of capitalism and get back on the track of peace, prosperity and freedom. This songs for you Rip :D
America First - Merle Haggard
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There were lots of peoples genocided without any slavery. I've listened to the history from some of those who were there, and who saw their families and neighbors slaughtered or starved and dumped into lime pits. My grandfather and grandmother managed to find freedom in the United States in the early 1900s. My grandfather volunteered to fight in WW1 against this type of tyranny, but he hadn't been here long enough to become a citizen yet (10 years). He also volunteered to fight in WW2 but was denied because he was 55 years old.
History is full of atrocities. I can't think of any societies who have been exempt from tyranny at one point in time or another.
The peaceful people are easy prey and pay a heavy price once they're disarmed.
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"Parents should be demanding that the decision makers explain themselves"
BOMBSHELL: Dr. Clare Craig Exposes How Pfizer Twisted Their Clinical Trial Data for Young Children
Pfizer Data: https://www.fda.gov/media/159195/download
Your federal government in a nutshell:
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The only thing missing is a small child.