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[David A. Rowe]

Liberty Safe responds: Liberty Safe issues apology, change in policy after handing backdoor access to the FBI | Not the Bee



They just go ahead and admit that they handed the codes to the FBI without even attempting to protect the customer.

Except they didn't. They complied after receiving proof of a warrant. And I can't imagine a better response to a change of policy for a company. Not to mention that the FBI can still show up and just take the safe, destroy it opening it, and good luck getting a check cut for your damaged property if you don't give them the code/combo. If the government wants in your safe, and they have attained a warrant regardless of how they lied or abused the system to get it, then they WILL get it.

Seriously, are we incapable of mercy at all? Have we lost all ability to discern nuance? Do we have to burn down a company who was focused on making industry-leading quality safes for their price point, and in no way acted any differently than any other safe manufacturer?

Liberty Safe under fire for giving FBI access to alleged Capitol rioter's firearms

[Mark Rippetoe]

David, I'll probably remain skeptical. Again:

In 2021, Liberty Safe underwent an ownership change when it was acquired by Monomoy Capital Partners. Monomoy, an East Coast investment firm, has shown a consistent pattern of donating to Democratic candidates.

An analysis of FEC reports obtained by Charlie Kirk reveals that the company has made contributions amounting to roughly $400,000 over the past ten election cycles. Some notable recipients of these donations include Democrats like:

Raphael Warnock (GA)
John Fetterman (PA)
Mandela Barnes (WI)
Mark Kelly (AZ)
It’s significant to mention that Liberty Safe’s current CEO, Justin Hillenbrand, isn’t just any executive. He was a founding partner of Monomoy and made a $4,600 donation to Obama for America.

For added context, especially relevant for those unfamiliar, Sen. Mark Kelly, one of the aforementioned donation recipients, is married to Gabbie Giffords.

The couple co-founded ‘Giffords,’ an anti-gun nonprofit with a mission to roll back the 2A rights of law-abiding gun

Monomoy Capital Partners Profile: Recipients • OpenSecrets

[mkm5]

Except they didn't. They complied after receiving proof of a warrant. And I can't imagine a better response to a change of policy for a company. Not to mention that the FBI can still show up and just take the safe, destroy it opening it, and good luck getting a check cut for your damaged property if you don't give them the code/combo. If the government wants in your safe, and they have attained a warrant regardless of how they lied or abused the system to get it, then they WILL get it.

Seriously, are we incapable of mercy at all? Have we lost all ability to discern nuance? Do we have to burn down a company who was focused on making industry-leading quality safes for their price point, and in no way acted any differently than any other safe manufacturer?

Liberty Safe under fire for giving FBI access to alleged Capitol rioter's firearms

I think one of the "hidden" ESG initiatives/goals is to get constitutional conservatives to hate all the things they once endeared. It's a clever plan actually, kinda like the "divide and conquer strategy," but instead rotting their "enemies" from the inside out.

[anticausal]

Seriously, are we incapable of mercy at all? Have we lost all ability to discern nuance? Do we have to burn down a company who was focused on making industry-leading quality safes for their price point, and in no way acted any differently than any other safe manufacturer?

I remember people were giving this same pitch for Black Rifle Coffee, and we all know how that turned out. All conservatives have done for the past hundred or so years is show mercy and give the benefit of the doubt. The other side never gives an inch. It's not yet the time for violence, but it's long past the time for ruthlessness. In fact, adopting a frame of utter ruthlessness towards the enemy and its collaborators might be the only thing that can still save us from eventually having to resort to violence.

And let's say you destroy the wrong company. So what? Just call it collateral damage like our enemies do, and move on to the next battle. Now, if you hit the wrong target five times in a row without hitting the enemy once, then maybe we can talk about modifying tactics.

[anticausal]

Seen on another forum:

Liberty Safe idea, meet up anonymously with other Liberty Safe owners of the same model and swap electronic locks.

[Jovan Dragisic]

I think one of the "hidden" ESG initiatives/goals is to get constitutional conservatives to hate all the things they once endeared. It's a clever plan actually, kinda like the "divide and conquer strategy," but instead rotting their "enemies" from the inside out.

How is the safe thing connected to ESG?

[Barry Charles]

Not to mention that the FBI can still show up and just take the safe, destroy it opening it, and good luck getting a check cut for your damaged property if you don't give them the code/combo. If the government wants in your safe, and they have attained a warrant regardless of how they lied or abused the system to get it, then they WILL get it.

Exactly. This sounds all gestapo but it’s not. Safes are not that safe. They are also no more private than your wife’s underwear drawer as far as a warrant to search is concerned. Critical thinking has to go both ways.

[mkm5]

How is the safe thing connected to ESG?

By allowing radical activists into corporate positions of power and influence to appease their corrupt banker and political masters...

[Shiva Kaul]

Critical thinking has to go both ways.

Liberty Safes was not named in the warrant. They acted out of courtesy. Meanwhile, Apple, Meta & co. defeated the UK's attempt to scan encrypted customer messages. They threatened to shutdown their services for Britons.

[Jenni]

Seeing as how the problem is that everyone should be complying with warrants as it IS the due process. I don't know that the Founding Fathers expected there to be an FBI... let alone one like this. Or the DoJ also being tyrannical. Or activist judges.

I don't know that this one is on Liberty Safes. I'm still waiting on a state or thirty to start handling this, but I'm not holding my breath.

No. Quite simply no. It is not my job as a human being to comply with anything. A warrant is the equivalent of "orders". I will not "just follow" them. Give me leaders and a government I can get behind and I might think it over but as of now there is nothing within my conscience - within the woman I have to look in the mirror - that demands that I bend the knee to any semblance of rule these people dictate. I am my authority. The ideas and myths I choose to value, the pride I have in myself and my work, me - not the DOJ. I comply as I see fit. Were I to own a large safe company I'd not have had an electronic back door and you can damn sure bet I'd have a legal department and lawyered up and fought for my clients' rights to their privacy because that's what my conscience would have dictated. They chose not to do that and now they are on the hook for that choice the same way I'd be on the hook for mine. Choices have consequences, all of them do, so you have to make sure that you believe in the choices you make. The government cannot provide me with a sheet of paper that let's me off that hook. Because I am a free woman. Freedom is a responsibility because sometimes it's hard. Sometimes it costs. Sometimes it is paid for in blood, sweat, tears, and years. Sometimes it's unpopular and uncomfortable. The lack of this kind of thinking is how we got here.