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    Quote Originally Posted by David Roberts View Post
    What did I write that generated these thoughts?
    David: I wouldn't dream of speaking for Jenni, but I'm guessing it was your characterization that pulling out of the public school system to homeschool is teaching your kids to cut and run... I know I got that impression.

    I am very happy that you were in a position to effect positive change in your kids' public school system - seriously, very happy about it. Same with your HOA. Well done, sir.

    I am curious how long ago your effectiveness with the school board was, and in what type of environment.

    When is it merely retreating from a problem, and when is it a prudent solution? Jenni's point about not inflicting harm or loss on one's own children while trying to change the system is a legitimate concern. So is being in a situation where success is highly unlikely.

    I'll add that the very structure of mass public education has significant flaws, especially at its current scale and structure. These inherent problems are also major factors for considering home schooling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anticausal View Post
    Woke CEO gets murdered in Blatimore

    If this girl were a racist, she'd most likely still be alive. From her facebook:



    That thing where they refer to black people as "black bodies" always creeped me the fuck out. Who talks like that? It's way more dehumanizing than the word nigger.
    Sounds like a blow deal gone wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Roberts View Post
    the first lesson that home school children learn is to cut and run.
    This is quite a statement. I'd ask you to outline the assumptions that you made to get here, but I know they don't exist. I'm guessing this is the comment that Jenni is rightly upset about.

    I also homeschool. The first lesson my kids learn is that their parents care a lot about their education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Roberts View Post
    What did I write that generated these thoughts?
    I'm sorry did anyone else in the class have a problem with this?
    "Most parents are not prepared for the challenges of home schooling."
    "the first lesson that home school children learn is to cut and run."
    "Engagement is the only way to solve the problem"
    These are the assertions to which I'm responding. I'm also arguing with you that it's an either/or choice. If you believe in the public school system you can offer your kids better and still pursue that delusion.

    And you can add "On top of home schooling being an expensive alternative to public schools." Not really. I mean you can spend more if you want but we did it on a rather modest income for two children two grades apart.
    What you are describing is not real homeschooling. It's public school taking place in the home.
    But I see that some of our disagreement on this stems from how rotten we think the establishment is. I argue for homeschooling coops and networks for those that enjoy that sort of thing. Make the DOE obsolete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Rowe View Post
    After having served on an HOA board, first year after developer turn over, I can confidently state that the only thing worse than living under a dictatorial HOA is serving on a board trying to get anything accomplished. Petulant, unruly children. No comprehension of how budgets work. No idea what "fiduciary duty" means. No idea what the board actually does vs what is a municipal or county jurisdiction/authority. We were dynamically seeking to secure the lowest overhead and oversight without damaging property values.

    Trying to lead a governing body in this day and age is an exercise in futility. Largely because of the character, knowledge and independence of the average constituent.
    This. I have a personal story that is very long I can share if people want, but this short post above sums up the experience in a general way.

    Cliffs on my story: HOA lies to me about a supposed infraction on paint colors, HOA failure to follow own bylaws, I later get on BOD and discover this, HOA exBOD harrases me, HOA exBOD & ex BOD member / lawyer failure to follow applicable state law, I had to get a lawyer, had to threaten exBOD lawyer with the state bar, and after all that HOA got another lawyer to go after me - then confirmed I was right (ie literate) and HOA was very nearly left to die on vine. Too bad it didn't, probably. I moved (from the custom house we built no less) for that and other reasons and now live in a 100 year old neighborhood.

    All because people want what they want these days with zero regard to the actual words printed on paper they agreed to. Its worthy to note the average age of the neighborhood was not younger people either.

    HOA's NEVER AGAIN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Roberts View Post
    What did I write that generated these thoughts?
    I thought you made some pretty good points, David.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Roberts View Post
    I guess the writer of the article tried home school but discovered it to be more challenging than he was prepared for so he sent his kids to a charter school. Most parents are not prepared for the challenges of home schooling. Kudos to those that can pull it off.

    Among the challenges to home schooling is that the first lesson that home school children learn is to cut and run.
    I can't speak for the author because, frankly, I couldn't get through the entirety of his choppy, uninteresting piece. You have to wonder about the credibility of an author whose average sentence length seems to be about 5 - 6 words.

    I don't agree that most people fall into the "lazy and greedy" category (don't those seem pretty antithetical?). They want better lives and a better future for themselves and their children, and in this day and age that is facilitated by dual income. Last I checked that was one of the advantages of living in a free, capitalistic society. If "free" daycare - paid for by taxes that most have no option to not pay - results in a significant net positive for them, what exactly is the problem?

    Let me point out that most schools' hours of operation are pretty well within the required working hours of many adults, so before-and-after care becomes necessary. And that is definitely not "free". But given the fact that that industry exists and seems prolific, I'd say most people stay net positive, however slim that might be.

    It's bizarre to insist on exceptional education for one's children and then not model the application of that education through a challenging, meaningful career. That's not to say that homeschooling your children can't serve as that model, but if you're modelling educating your children so that they can grow up to educate their children, then where does the productive contribution to society come in to play?

    People can get too stressed out about their children's education at a very young age. Yes there are fundamental things like reading, writing, and arithmetic that should be learned. But beyond that I think socialization and imaginary play are far more important, and I think public school can provide a good environment for that. I never took school seriously until I was in the middle of high school and I have done pretty well for myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Roberts View Post
    People have a choice, bitch and moan about their plight as a victim, cut and run, or engage. Engagement is the only way to solve the problem. Running just makes you tired and victimhood leads to continued subservience. Bitch and moaners are not players, they are spectators cheering and jeering but not really affecting any outcomes.
    This is quite profound and far reaching beyond just education. I myself have noticed that people usually fall into two camps when facing a problem: 1) those who want to fix the problem by maintaining as much of the existing system as possible and adjusting only as necessary and 2) those who want to tear everything down, and not necessarily with the intent of building back better. The former usually are productive, engaged people, while the latter typically are the moaners, bitchers, and critics. Think about this in the context of climate change activism.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Roberts View Post
    10 years ago my HOA was a big problem. Several of us homeowners worked together to take over the board. Once we controlled the board we fired and replaced the management company. Problem solved!

    As board president my biggest problem now is getting someone to step up and take over. When things are fine homeowners like to keep it that way.

    HOAs are not for everyone, like any form of government they are good and bad. No one is required to live in an HOA. If you do live in an HOA you should act like you own it (because you do) and be engaged.
    I would legitimately like to know more about this. I've yet to figure out what my HOA does except charge me money each year and plant cheap flowers on the sidewalk.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Roberts View Post
    On top of home schooling being an expensive alternative to public schools, the parents also pay substantial property taxes that are used to support the government schools. So far no tax credits are available for homeschoolers.
    I mostly agree with this, though I think there's a problem with the assumption of dollar-for-dollar value. Homeschooling and private schools are both far more expensive than publicly funded education. And you have to be mindful of the unfortunate reality that if worthwhile tax benefits exist, an incentive to "homeschool" children and take advantage of free money is created, if you catch my drift.

    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Rowe View Post
    After having served on an HOA board, first year after developer turn over, I can confidently state that the only thing worse than living under a dictatorial HOA is serving on a board trying to get anything accomplished. Petulant, unruly children. No comprehension of how budgets work. No idea what "fiduciary duty" means. No idea what the board actually does vs what is a municipal or county jurisdiction/authority. We were dynamically seeking to secure the lowest overhead and oversight without damaging property values.

    Trying to lead a governing body in this day and age is an exercise in futility. Largely because of the character, knowledge and independence of the average constituent.
    Hanlon's razor, yet again. And unfortunately I think it will only get worse, because as this thread indicates, those who are concerned and who think critically about these serious issues would rather, as you said, cut and run. I can't say I blame them; it is in fact easier for one to change things that are actually with one's control than to take on the whole establishment. But it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murrie View Post
    I disagree. The "party" is everything, the party is power, the party is the state, the government.
    It is the democrat party.
    Yes, It's the Uniparty. Republican (bread) and Democrat (circus) is an illusion...a distraction....a thick layer of bullshit to hide this simple reality:
    "It's a big club, and you ain't in it." - George Carlin

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Roberts View Post
    I guess the writer of the article tried home school but discovered it to be more challenging than he was prepared for so he sent his kids to a charter school. Most parents are not prepared for the challenges of home schooling. Kudos to those that can pull it off.

    Among the challenges to home schooling is that the first lesson that home school children learn is to cut and run. People have a choice, bitch and moan about their plight as a victim, cut and run, or engage. Engagement is the only way to solve the problem. Running just makes you tired and victimhood leads to continued subservience. Bitch and moaners are not players, they are spectators cheering and jeering but not really affecting any outcomes.



    10 years ago my HOA was a big problem. Several of us homeowners worked together to take over the board. Once we controlled the board we fired and replaced the management company. Problem solved!

    As board president my biggest problem now is getting someone to step up and take over. When things are fine homeowners like to keep it that way.

    HOAs are not for everyone, like any form of government they are good and bad. No one is required to live in an HOA. If you do live in an HOA you should act like you own it (because you do) and be engaged.
    This post probably should have had a trigger warning.

    My apologies to those who felt personally attacked by my comments but sometimes life's challenges are like that last rep of a heavy set of 5. You have to make the decision on how you will handle it and hold yourself accountable. It's not my intent to be judgmental.

    Kudos once again to those who have successfully homeschooled their children. I know some solid citizens that were homeschooled.

    I won't parse all the responses to my post. I will acknowledged that I feel a tiny bit like I have inadvertently attracted some haters. I give due respect to them.

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    Makes me want to move to Alabama.

    And I never got an answer to this:

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    And Eric never explained the Biden Crime Family bribery situation, so still waiting on that.

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