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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post

    Barry, what do you obtain by being cryptic and obscure? Why post this here? Am I supposed to know how this fits in to our general discussion?
    I’m just trying to establish that “knowing things” should be more like your Starting Strength system than cherry picking internet excerpts.

    The only small pleasure I get being cryptic and obscure is I am right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    Well said. Agreed.

    However, my bigger point is that some things are predictable without taking data or generating statistics..........We don’t need for biological men that identify as women to compete against women to know the results.
    Wrong.

    We know exactly how it would turn out because we do have data.

    The data shows men running faster, hitting harder, lifting more, ect, ect, ect than their female counter parts.

    We also knew how people would react to this in particular as well as trannies in general because we have data, but liberalism would have us deny our lying eyes and pretend we don't have it to be more open minded....so open that our brains fall out so that they can fill it with what gives them power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    All I claim about political correctness is that it started as policy of good intent and went, predictably, wrong in practice.
    Examples ... PC explains our devastating response to COVID with quarantine for all as opposed to quarantine for the sick.
    Political Correctness (PC) has never been a "policy of good intent". The origins of PC go back to at least the early 20th century:
    The notion of political correctness came into use among Communists in the 1930s as a semi-humorous reminder that the Party’s interest is to be treated as a reality that ranks above reality itself. Because all progressives, Communists included, claim to be about creating new human realities, they are perpetually at war against nature’s laws and limits. But since reality does not yield, progressives end up pretending that they themselves embody those new realities. Hence, any progressive movement’s nominal goal eventually ends up being subordinated to the urgent, all-important question of the movement’s own power. Because that power is insecure as long as others are able to question the truth of what the progressives say about themselves and the world, progressive movements end up struggling not so much to create the promised new realities as to force people to speak and act as if these were real: as if what is correct politically—i.e., what thoughts serve the party’s interest—were correct factually.
    Angelo Codevilla, 2016, "The Rise of Political Correctness".

    You were correct in your understanding that PC is a contradiction, however, by your statements in this thread it appears that you misunderstand PC and it's role in the gradual erosion and corruption of Western societies. PC is not a policy of fairness, or the embodiment of some notion that everyone should be treated equally. It has, since its inception, always been a tool for cultural subversion:
    Progressive parties everywhere have sought to monopolize educational and cultural institutions in order to force those under their thumbs to sing their tunes or to shut up. [S]ince the Soviet Empire’s implosion, leftists have argued that Communism failed to create utopia not because of any shortage of military or economic power but rather because it could not overcome th[e] gap [between PC and reality]. Is the lesson for today’s progressives, therefore, to push P.C. even harder, to place even harsher penalties on dissenters? Many of today’s more discerning European and American progressives, in possession of government’s and society’s commanding heights, knowing that they cannot wield Soviet-style repression and yet intent on beating down increasing popular resistance to their projects, look for another approach to crushing cultural resistance. Increasingly they cite the name of Antonio Gramsci (1891–1937), a brilliant Communist theoretician for whom “cultural hegemony” is the very purpose of the struggle as well as its principal instrument. ... For most Americans who have heard of Gramsci’s concept of cultural hegemony, it signifies P.C.’s suffocating purpose.

    Beginning in the 1960s, from Boston to Berkeley, the teachers of America’s teachers absorbed and taught a new, CliffsNotes-style sacred history: America was born tainted by Western Civilization’s original sins—racism, sexism, greed, genocide against natives and the environment, all wrapped in religious obscurantism, and on the basis of hypocritical promises of freedom and equality. Secular saints from Herbert Croly and Woodrow Wilson to Franklin Roosevelt and Barack Obama have been redeeming those promises, placing America on the path of greater justice in the face of resistance from the mass of Americans who are racist, sexist, but above all stupid. To consider such persons on the same basis as their betters would be, as President Obama has called it, “false equivalence.” Thus credentialed, molded, and opinionated, a uniform class now presides over nearly all federal, and state, government bureaucracies, over the media, the educational establishment, and major corporations. Like a fraternity, it requires speaking the “in” language signifying that one is on the right side, and joins to bring grief upon “outsider” Americans who run afoul of its members. America’s progressive ruling class [does not] offer any vision of truth, goodness, beauty, or advantage to attract the rest of society to itself. Like its European kin, all that American progressivism offers is obedience to the ruling class, enforced by political correctness. Nor is there any endpoint to what is politically correct, any more than there ever was to Communism. Here and now, as everywhere and always, it comes down to glorifying the party and humbling the rest. If cultural hegemony merely meant achieving the progressive ruling class’s near monopoly of America’s cultural institutions, the conflict ended a generation ago: the rulers won. But because the ruling class acts as if the old culture’s recalcitrant remnants merit ever more intensive efforts to crush them, cultural hegemony by P.C. means an endless cycle of insult and resentment, guaranteeing the conflict’s permanence.

    Why does the American Left demand ever-new P.C. obeisances? In 2012 no one would have thought that defining marriage between one man and one woman, as enshrined in U.S. law, would brand those who do so as motivated by a culpable psychopathology called “homophobia,” subject to fines and near-outlaw status. Not until 2015-16 did it occur to anyone that requiring persons with male personal plumbing to use public bathrooms reserved for men was a sign of the same pathology. Why had not these become part of the P.C. demands previously? Why is there no canon of P.C. that, once filled, would require no further additions? Because the point of P.C. is not and has never been merely about any of the items that it imposes, but about the imposition itself. Much less is it about creating a definable common culture or achieving some definable good. On the retail level, it is about the American’s ruling class’s felt need to squeeze the last drops of voter participation out of the Democratic Party’s habitual constituencies. On the wholesale level, it is a war on civilization waged to indulge identity politics.
    Codevilla, 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Barry, what do you obtain by being cryptic and obscure? Why post this here? Am I supposed to know how this fits in to our general discussion?
    Barry is deep down some kind of philosophy hole. The poor man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    I’m just trying to establish that “knowing things” should be more like your Starting Strength system than cherry picking internet excerpts.
    Should be, but we're not there yet. We're still piecing the program together and compiling data. We've never done a lot of this before. Not only are we regular folk trying to put together how the power hungry are thinking but were also trying to do it based not on straightforward data but data we have to ferret out. Coach put the program together but he did have some precedent for the line of thinking that got him there. We all who use it are perfectly happy to report in stats and logs and all sorts of things so we can learn from each other. Trying to figure out the source of the push towards our destruction has almost none of these advantages. We've never had to sift through this particular combination of events. We have some data. We know that "conspiracy theories" of the past turned out to actually be true. We have data on how a lot of these people are connected to each other financially. Like gravity, we know it's there, we see the effects- but also like gravity- it's not fully understood.

    I think your theory is too optimistic. I don't think the powerful are just looking to do positive things and it got out of control. If that were true where is the apologetic backtracking that would undoubtedly occur if good people trying to do a positive thing saw their efforts fail so miserably and cause so much harm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramus View Post
    Political Correctness (PC) has never been a "policy of good intent". The origins of PC go back to at least the early 20th century:
    Angelo Codevilla, 2016, "The Rise of Political Correctness".

    You were correct in your understanding that PC is a contradiction, however, by your statements in this thread it appears that you misunderstand PC and its believe role in the gradual erosion and corruption of Western societies. PC is not a policy of fairness, or the embodiment of some notion that everyone should be treated equally. It has, since its inception, always been a tool for cultural subversion:
    Specifically, I’ve said that I believe PC in the US started with good intentions. People have challenged this belief and may be right but you can’t challenge that is what I believe. If you or anyone wants to debate the pros and cons of PC please do it with logic and reasoning, I’m not persuaded by googled articles.

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    And Arkansas stands with Texas. I have ever been appalled by the inhumanity displayed by administrations supporting an open border. I, as a sworn law enforcement officer, share with the public the effects of mass illegal immigration.

    Rape, especially statutory. Increased traffic accidents and DWIs. Increased domestic violence. Near direct cartel involvement, even at the local level, for drug trafficking (especially fentanyl and methamphetamine) and human trafficking. And the human trafficking, once well established, flows in both directions.

    The situation is untenable legally, fiscally and morally. It abhors me that people seeking the re-establishment of the Rule of Law and seeking to protect both the illegal immigrants and American People from the ravages of and open southern border is billed as bigotry, hate or inhumane.

    If this is the hill that the federal government chooses to die on, then I hope the States oblige them.

    And God shelter us and our children from the toils and terrors of war that our decades of foolishness have wrought. It likely won't happen as quickly as some would expect or fear, but the harvest must eventually be reaped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsonville View Post
    A million people dead? Come on that’s fucking nonsense. I think the war is stupid and unwinnable, but a million deaths, according to who?
    Are you talking about the holocaust or Ukraine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I don't think you will see this happen in Texas by Texas LEO.
    I don't want this post to be taken as overly confrontational, because it wasn't posted with that intent. But do you think that sentiment is wise after everything that's happened over the past 3 years? If Texas LEO's are ordered to pull down some wire, what will occour to make them disobey those orders? They will almost certainly not be happy, or even want to do them, but what makes you think they will refuse their orders?


    Gen Flynn's letter was very illuminating. The Federal US government will almost certainly rely on fighting wars to kick the economic can down the road, but that only works on external enemies who can be convinced to take US dollars. aka Ukraine, Israel and Saudi Arabia. I'm not sure they'd be so economically keen on fighting a war internally. Politically I have no doubt, behind closed doors, the washington class is almost universally demanding that Texas be invaded.

    To add something, I think while it's interesting Texas is essentially declaring succession, and has been joined by some other states. The real tipping point will be Kentucky, because Fort Knox is located within Kentucky. I'd say X countries have their Gold in there but as I'm sure there are a lot of strong opinions about on this board. No-one's audited Fort Knox or even knows how much is in there. (as far as I'm aware) If Kentucky pseudo secedes, I'm not sure what that does to world economics. I'm not sure anyone does.

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