It's always fascinating to see a "libertarian" ignore the right of a business to set the terms of *how* they do business.
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Gov. Pritzker: State parks to reopen, outdoor dining available May 29
The big news for me: In Phase 3, "health clubs, gyms, and fitness studios can provide one-on-one personal training in indoor facilities" and outdoor fitness classes of up to ten people.
This indoor facilities clause seems to me to be a new wrinkle. Heretofore I don't recall there being any provision for indoor training at all. But one on one indoors implies someone can train solo. No doubt with some provisions for before and after hygiene and maintaining a distance.
The Illinois General Assembly was FINALLY called into special session by Pritzker this week. What follows are mostly based on my opinions and surmises.
Ostensibly this special session limited to working on the hopeless budget, but I suspected his party was knuckling him to get back in line. Turns out this may well have been the case, because also earlier this week he declared that any "non-essential" business not following the lockdown would be subject to misdemeanor charges and a $2500 fine. This met with howls of protest from downstate. I'm not sure what the reception in Shitcago or Crook County was.
Two days ago, the Illinois State Police issued a statement that they would not be arresting anyone for violating lockdown orders. This, despite Pritzker's threats and bullying to the contrary and failure of LE to implement those threats would result in withholding of Federal funds.
As it happens, I learned yesterday that Illinois has a unique legislative committee called Joint Committee on Administrative Rules (JCAR). Amazingly, somehow the dems allowed it to be entirely balanced in terms of party affiliations from both houses of the General Assembly. The RUMINT reported by a downstate AssemblyCritter Patrick Windhorst this morning was that dems of JCAR had splintered and informed Pritzker they would not support his misdemeanor edict.
So Pritzker appears to have caved a little. Possibly with more abdication to follow, we'll see. I am guessing that he realizes (finally!) that his high water mark was his interview Sunday before last on the news panel shows. Perhaps he recognizes that his political future is damaged at best and maybe even over after his first and only dip into the political water hole. One can only hope. Likewise, Illinois was surrounded by states that were loosening up faster than Illinois and many Illinoisans were vowing to shop and sit down to eat over the borders of Iowa, Wisconsin, Indiana, Kentucky, or Missouri.
It remains to be seen what, if any, effect this will have on other dem governors like Whitmer. I have to believe that some of them are realizing that despite the overwhelming MSM support and fear mongering, they are holding a losing hand. More than ever I am convinced that the nature of dem state lockdowns and media scares were just another chapter in the overthrow of the guy who beat their darling, Lady Clinton.
As I said much earlier in this thread, states like IL, CA, and NY were never going to get enough Electoral College or popular votes for Trump. I assumed that they collectively wanted to inflict enough pain and damage to the economy and by extension their own electorates to screw Trump. Even if by mail in ballots to assist as needed. They may be realizing that they could well have damaged their own political careers enough to limit or end them as well. Newsom is probably an exception. Because I find it hard to believe that anyone who voted for him didn't already know what a dick he was and still voted for him.
My only intent was to point out the wedges being driven between us on almost every front and, that I have no faith in that changing without a violent reboot.
You both did a better job at articulating the difficulties of trying to navigate those issues. I understand nothing is black and white.
It amazes me how both people a bureaucrats alike use the term “science” synonymously with epidemiology. The true numbers will never be known and if they were, would it really matter given the context? The truth is that we aren’t walking outside seeing dead bodies everywhere, hospitals are closing down, and the reality of the situation does not match what journalists are describing in the majority of places. They’ll argue that it’s because of lockdowns despite lack of hard proof. The truth is that lockdowns only worked to keep the most compliant indoors while those who called bullshit, didn’t care, or were just plain ignorant likely went about their lives and merely spent more time in other places (I.e. instead of going to bars and restaurants they went to Walmart, sporting good stores, gun ranges). Who is to say that those who stayed in would have likely done the same without the need for government imposed shut down. The most disappointing thing about all of this is how many collectively agree that they aren’t capable of taking care of themselves and common sense is inferior to corrupt “scientific” journalism. It’s important to remember this is when these same people yell “correlation is not causation” on a topic that suits their bias in the future.
Disagree all you want, but in the U S of A, rural populations gave up trying to "fix" the sinful cities about the time Carl Sandburg wrote his poem "Chicago." Conversely, the urban enlightened electorate send people to the state capitals who impose statewide mandates on school curricula, bathroom usage, and minimum wages (set for urban costs of living). All the while ignoring the infrastructure improvements many rural people and communities need for internet connectivity and data rate speeds. Which makes some of those shining city on the hill utopian ideals damned hard to implement.
But, carry on.
Thanks for the snark. Please Sir, may I have another?
I am a conservative, finding many libertarian takes and assertions about our nation and it's development and history mere fairy tales to tuck under their pillows. They keep insisting we return to the good old days of the US. The problem is, that the way they describe those good old days never happened the way their current ideological heroes say they did.
If the business wants my patronage, they can accommodate me. If they won't, I will do business elsewhere and in the manner I wish.
You clear on my position now?
Don't worry, a Second Wave (TM) is coming. Plus some mystery shit in children. Plus the stroke thing (remember that?), plus whatever else they cook up.
Plenty of reasons to stay scared and locked inside your homes.
By the way, you guys keep spelling science wrong. It's SCIENCE.
SCIENCE is what determined that asymptomatic carriers will infect the rest of the world based on a study where they put some infected hamsters in a cage with a fan and found out that other hamsters got sick. I shit you not I didn't make that last line up.
Yup all of those things are true! The flip side is that the rural enlightened electorate tend to support a party that seems obsessed with telling people who they can and can't marry, overturning Roe v. Wade, and locking people up for all eternity for a dime bag of weed. I'm just saying, neither party has a spotless record of just leaving people the fuck alone.
Not directed at me, but here we very much agree! I mean, aside from where I don't consider myself a conservative. I definitely think that the fetishization of an imaginary bygone era is a big problem, and not unique to the U S of A.
This is not an "elective" test or treatment, get it done now. I live in a COVID hotspot and had an ultrasound done a couple days ago for a much less pressing issue. They were not busy. If you have to park yourself in the ER and wait all day to get it done, do it. Tell them you have a septic joint. Sometimes buzzwords help clear away the bureaucracy.