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    Quote Originally Posted by BMueller View Post
    I never called it a stunt. Nor did I remark on his being or not being "Presidential." I was merely making the comment that this is not a man capable of intentional virtue or humility. It is not, from a character structure standpoint, within him. He may inspire or serve as a guide, as he does for VNV, but in being moved in that way, you are reacting to the behavior of an empty vessel.
    "Not capable of intentional virtue." Therefore, incapable of virtue signaling. Sounds naturally presidential.

    Rome is an idea, not a man.

    Trump 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by VNV View Post
    We have concrete results from Trump.
    Care to elaborate? I was promised a wall, a ban on muslim immigration, a renegotiation of NAFTA, a repeal of the affordable care act, a reinvigoration of the coal industry, a tax break (my bracket actually got a tax increase), a balance of the federal budget, a draining of the swamp, etc. etc. etc. Trump's fatal flaw is promises way to much. I can't think of another politician in the last half century who has failed so epically to deliver.

    Quote Originally Posted by VNV View Post
    Didn't intend pedantry.
    None taken. That was an earnest reply. I know intent can be hard to read via text.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    You sure?
    What is this image, Rip? For all I know these are all convicted child molestors repenting for their sins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Fine. Vote for Joe.
    I will be really surprised if Trump gets reelected. It would be the first time in our nation's history that a president gets re-elected in the middle of an economic downturn.

    Quote Originally Posted by cmdrfunk View Post
    People are dead and severely injured. Video. Graphic. Etc.

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status...45466357927936 - 77-year-old St. Louis retired Police Captain David Dorn was shot dead by looters when he tried to get them to stop looting a local pawn shop.


    George Floyd protests: Ex-Indiana football player Chris Beaty killed


    https://twitter.com/AndySwan/status/1267081816873328640


    https://twitter.com/MsLady_Jayne/sta...40782471983106


    https://twitter.com/mugshawtys/statu...88054444978177


    https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...day-of-unrest/


    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/ju...grave-conditi/


    https://twitter.com/kd4epg/status/1267859014697865218


    https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-t...their-families


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSTqH9-1WFw


    https://twitter.com/depthhidden/stat...37941122478083


    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status...76768822685696


    https://twitter.com/MarkACollett/sta...95806775164929


    https://twitter.com/Mrtdogg/status/1266952147834470408


    https://rumble.com/v9fjdp-columbia-s...rotesters.html


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    https://twitter.com/NYCPBA/status/1267587347069177856


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    https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/st...54432654647297


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    https://twitter.com/MaybeAmes/status...12875082002432
    All compelling images to be sure, but none of them address your original claim that (white) people are being dragged out of their houses and assaulted for not being woke enough. In fact, most of the deaths you've included are of black people, which, if anything, only provides evidence to the claim you're attempting to refute. Black lives clearly don't matter, as evidenced by their wanton destruction in the clips you've shared above.

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    For someone from the NY metro area and has lived through his storied career, Trump is not a mystery to me. 25 years ago, he would have been an average president in terms of aggravating people. Had he ran for the Blues, which he did for a long time, particularly when he used to hang out with the Clintons, no one would have cared.

    What really freaks me out are people like my parents, who should know better, who act like he’s some sort of Klan-hood-clad evil Moses riding into town from the wilderness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VNV View Post
    I'm not talking about self-effacement.

    Despite his bombast, I do not see Trump as self-righteous.

    More like St. Paul: Philippians 3:3–9 ESV - For we are the… | Biblia
    Of course Trump isn't self-righteous. Self-righteousness suggests ideology. It suggests moral aspiration. It suggests belief in the sacred. These are not things Trump cares about or is capable of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I get it, Mueller. You don't like him. I understand.
    Oh, please. You can do better than this, Rip. Nobody likes him. Even people who support him don't like him. It's why you say things like, "The trick to liking Trump is to pay no attention to what he says or types." You'd refund his gym dues and ask him to leave within a month if he joined WFAC. Let's just be honest about the obvious aspects of his personality disorder--he does not do humility, or shame, or virtue, or empathy. Otherwise we end up saying things like, "Trump is like St. Paul."

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    [QUOTE=cmdrfunk;1775473]People are dead and severely injured. Video. Graphic. Etc.[URL]

    I tried twice to make myself compile those tweet vids and pics in a reply. I book marked them but couldn't make myself do it. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Everyone here should force themselves watch those.

    I am actively trying to put my feet up and watch all this play out in a more detached way. My current thoughts are consumed with the idea this is actually about race, and principals of nationalism vs. universal globalism and the new religion of equality. I honestly don't see what else this is all about, if not that.

    It is easier to pretend this is about values and sleep soundly at night. I think I got a glimpse, over these 2 weeks, of how that ends up for normal folk. The conservative right has absolutely fucking nothing.

    I don't know if this is the early stage of collapse, either. It's seeming more and more like a middle stage and it is palpable. Maybe this is what that looks and feels like when you're in it.

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    WHO says asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is "very rare":Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is '''very rare,''' WHO says

    Weren't they the ones that were saying masks weren't effective, and then changed their minds and said that everyone should wear masks? I guess masks are back to not being helpful if you're not actually sick. What a clownshow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltomo View Post
    However, on one occasion I did have an officer get in my face and search my car because he thought I was transporting weed. I have no idea why this happened, because I keep my car and person very clean, I'm white, and I was driving through the middle of nowhere in the upper peninsula of Michigan. There's a special kind of anxiety when a cop is pawing through the underwear of your suitcase trying to nail you for hiding a dimebag.

    I get that most officers are not like this guy was, but it did affect my attitude toward the police in way that probably won't ever change.
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    George Christiansen[/B]]cops who seem to be compensating for small dicks,
    In the late '70s I had an unpleasant encounter with police in the city of Hawthorne, a suburb of LA. The encounter occurred inside of the Hawthorne police station. The incident was witnessed by another police officer who stood by and did nothing while his boy jacked up a skinny teen-age kid who never in his life had been in trouble with the law. Like Itomo, it has coloured my perception of law enforcement. As George commented, the abusive cop was short in stature and had what I would call a "Napoleon complex".

    On the other hand, several years later, I had a surf accident whereby the skeg of the board cut through the vastus medialis. The cut was deep enough that my index finger went into the cut up to the first knuckle. As I drove down the freeway frantically trying to get to a medical facility with blood covering my lower leg, I was pulled over by CHP. The officer came up to the passenger side of my car asked for my driver's license. When he realized my leg was covered in blood he asked what happened. When I told him I'd had a surf accident and was going to the hospital, he handed me back my DL, told me to drive safely and headed back to his car.

    One visible difference between the two officers; the Hawthorne cop was white, the CHP officer was black.

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    Fox News Headline: Virginia investigating hate crime charges after KKK leader attacked protesters, officials say. Virginia investigating hate crime charges after KKK leader attacked protesters, officials say | FOX6Now.com

    What is it about the state of Virginia that makes "fine" people drive their cars into peaceful protestors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Ebner View Post
    The importance of this dilemma cannot be understated. We are at a important historical moment where the fissues of our flawed system of social organization are being exposed, yet we have no real tangible alternative. Your countryman perhaps said it best when he explained that, "[n]o one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
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    Noah, it seems here that your strong desire to overhaul our country has clouded your thinking, causing you to gleefully describe looters & rioters as part of some bigger, laudable, "important historical moment."

    Hopefully that part of your post was referring to citizens pushing back against CoVid restrictions, but the later Acrimony Against America (AAA) in your post leaves me thinking that this cannot be the case.

    How in the world could a professorial, well-rounded person ignore the self-interest clearly evident in these rioting, looting, and assault actions by the "protesters," and think they are a vaunted, visceral response to police brutality and an "unfair" democratic system?? My toddler child screams at me when I pick him up to take him away from our patient pooch that he's been torturing, but I don't think for a moment that he's advocating some larger, noble plan to rearrange the hierarchy in our family. And said dog defecated on our carpet last night, but that's just because she could not control her biological instincts, not because she's trying to realign the potty rules in our household. Childish behaviors and acting upon base instincts are just that, immature and animal-like, even if the MSM colludes with the government to paint them as a legitimate expression of our 1A rights.

    ***Rip, that last post of mine referred to muntz AND Mr. Ebner, who lazily called my thinking racist (!) in his last post addressed to me, and Noah is still hanging around, so I do still think there are grounds to ALLOW it to go up. I do acknowledge that this is your sandbox, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMueller View Post
    Of course Trump isn't self-righteous. Self-righteousness suggests ideology. It suggests moral aspiration. It suggests belief in the sacred. These are not things Trump cares about or is capable of.
    Right, Mueller. You don't like him. I get that. Really, I do.

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