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    Quote Originally Posted by jfsully View Post
    Actually, the more likely scenario is: you come for your hip replacement, get tested for COVID, test positive, and are sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks (or whenever they reschedule your hip surgery for). You are not hospitalized for asymptomatic covid, and if you have been waiting at home for the hip replacement, you will continue to wait. Hospitals like to be busy, but not full. Full hospitals lead to worse outcomes. Prolonged hospital admissions lower profit for hospitals. Hospitals have a financial incentive to get people in and out as quickly as possible. Many payments to hospitals are capitated, meaning you get paid a flat rate by diagnosis. If you keep someone longer, you spend more overhead on them without generating more income, and your profit goes down. Best to have a short, sweet admission.
    I didn't see the discharge rate on this graph. And meaning absolutely no personal disrespect, it is very hard to believe that near-bankrupt hospitals do not have an incentive to admit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSNube View Post
    My BS detector goes off anytime the media uses the phrase "experts say". It is actually a useful indicator that the article or story is probably lacking evidence (or is pushing a narrative).

    I encourage people to stop and think when they encounter this. It can be a free pass for the media to say pretty much anything without any supporting evidence whatsoever. It is very concerning. I've seen countless articles that just cite "experts say" with no names or organizations mentioned at all.


    I understand that sometimes anonymous sources must be used, but here are a couple more phrases that bring the credibility of the story into question:

    "A person familiar with the matter said"
    "A unnamed source said"
    The news media is essentially high school gossip writ large, and it works on almost the exact same demegraphic of people who cared about it back in high school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jovan Dragisic View Post
    The Fed can't by definition push MMT, because it's not part of government. I mean, effectively speaking, it is the government, as is the ECB and Bank of England and so on, but these motherfuckers are the last ones who would be having anything to to with MMT. Their client base is on the opposite side of that spectrum. Perversely, MMT is currently being practiced by smaller countries whose foreign debt is almost 100 percent denominated in foreign currencies, but where the central bank is state owned. It seems this can be done pretty effectively in times like these, because the currency fluctuation and general panic mode is so high, you hardly see any inflationary pressure on the local currency. You just can't give the money directly to people, you need government programs that guarantee covering a certain percentage of the paycheck and so on. Confirming once more that the whole idea of "markets" having any kind of meaning outside of the state has been a colossal fraud, mostly by the bankers.
    Do you have any good resources/books on this type 9f stuff? I've just started reading up on the Fed, fractional reserve banking, etc in the last few months so I'm still wrapping my head around what's all going on behind the scenes in the monetary world. I agree though. From what I've dug up so far, the Fed et al have a much bigger influence on the way countries run than most people realize.

    Quote Originally Posted by cmdrfunk View Post
    What do you do when "experts" contradict each other?

    I'll tell you what the government and media do. They choose the one with the answer they like and then either call the other one a loon or pretend he doesn't exist altogether.
    These people seem to have no concept of the fact that there are just as many "experts" who disagree with everything the media has been pushing this entire time.

    In 200 years, I think people will look back and realize that the internet has had the same effect on destroying the authority of "the press" that the printing press had in destroying the authority of the Roman Catholic Church for a lot of Europeans.

    Once they could read the Bible for themselves and saw all the shenanigans the RCC was up to, all sorts of stuff happened. The Holy Roman Empire fractured, Germany was divided, England started its own church, etc. Interesting to see how things fracture once people are able to read the information and come to their own conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I didn't see the discharge rate on this graph. And meaning absolutely no personal disrespect, it is very hard to believe that near-bankrupt hospitals do not have an incentive to admit.
    Not saying they donít, but hospitals get full when the discharge rate falls below the admission rate. At that point, patients accumulate in the hallways of the ER, which nobody likes, including hospital administrators. At that point they are turning away traumas and diverting ambulances (ie income) to other hospitals.

    Admitting a patient who doesnít require hospital level of care is insurance/Medicare fraud. Not saying it doesnít happen, but there are big powerful interests who pore over billing and Medical records constantly to sniff this out. If I were doing this to keep my hospital afloat, I would do it in the way that makes the most money. And running at or near capacity is not it.

    What Iím basically saying is that hitting capacity is not financially advantageous for hospitals. If I had to guess, I would say that 80% full is about the sweet spot for hospital finances.

    When our hospital nears capacity, for example, a crawl comes across the top of every hospital computer instructing us to expedite discharges and to contact certain administrators to address barriers to discharge (slow test results etc). I have never seen an encouragement to admit patients.

    In other words, hospitals work hard to empty themselves out. And the hip replacement example you gave would actually result in a delayed procedure and deferred or lost income for the hospital.

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    Anyone looked at this recently:

    Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

    They added a new column to Table 1 - "Percent of Expected Deaths"

    Very interesting, given the surge/spike/out-of-control increase/second wave/etc. of cases.

    Also, just curious (totally unrelated) - did Governor Cuomo ever get the 30,000 ventilators he so desperately needed?

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    These scientism worshipping "TRUST THE EXPERTS" people are just so tiring. The world's "COVID response" has not been anything more than the mass illusion of safety and control. Don't worry folks; the experts got this under control, we will save everyone. Only a handful of nations and US states have acknowledged that we have no control over a respiratory virus. Countries like Sweden proceeded with scientific precedent and reason. The rest of the world bought into an illusion, destroyed the global economy, and ruined the lives of millions for a generation or more.

    We're at least eight months into this outbreak, probably more, and it's clear that no mitigation strategies work. Masks, distancing, lockdown, you name it, there are no success stories definitively showing human mitigation efforts have done a goddamn thing, other than ruin many people's lives. No nation on earth has, or will, stop the spread short of achieving herd immunity. Mother nature wins, and we learned this shit in high school biology.

    I mean California quite literally did everything these so-called "experts" and the panic-porn peddling media demanded they do, back in March/April. Yet, they are still "surging," according to their moron governor. So back into lockdown, they must go. Pay no attention to the declining death rate, or the hyper testing, or the obvious cooking of the books. Did someone die WITH COVID, or did they die FROM COVID? Are they Hospitalized WITH COVID, or are they hospitalized BECAUSE OF COVID? The lockdowns don't work; they didn't work, they are a farce, and will go down as perhaps the dumbest government decision in all of human history.

    Please, for the love of God, can we stop "trusting the experts?" The politicians need to get out of the way! Individuals ought to be responsible and look out for their elderly family members, but the rest of us need to get on with our lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I didn't see the discharge rate on this graph. And meaning absolutely no personal disrespect, it is very hard to believe that near-bankrupt hospitals do not have an incentive to admit.
    Mark, it gets hard to take you seriously on things like this, because when your conspiracy theories run headlong into the observations of people who actually have experience in these areas, you dismiss them. And then you mostly sound like the very people you hold in such contempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alsbos View Post
    I don't know what 'scientism' means to you, but it sounds bad.

    The work product of most scientists is not a prediction, but instead a 'product' that has market value. For instance, material chemists invented non-stick teflon and I assume the material that covers stealth bombers. These are tangible products that have value. The only scientists who produce things that don't have market value are going to be in academics and sometimes the government (for obvious reasons).

    Of course, data scientists at places like google make predictions (for sales and other reasons), but again this work product has real market value.
    You really have no idea about science and scientists, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMueller View Post
    Mark, it gets hard to take you seriously on things like this, because when your conspiracy theories run headlong into the observations of people who actually have experience in these areas, you dismiss them. And then you mostly sound like the very people you hold in such contempt.
    That's fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cody Annino View Post
    Please, for the love of God, can we stop "trusting the experts?" The politicians need to get out of the way! Individuals ought to be responsible and look out for their elderly family members, but the rest of us need to get on with our lives.
    Yes to all you wrote. There is one final important question to ask of the experts.

    If this communicable disease situation warrants this response, what similar or lesser situation does not warrant this response? If they can't specifically answer this quantitatively, they are frauds.

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