Who has died from COVID-19? And i case you haven't noticed, we've been having a serious discussion about it for the past 5 months.
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To debate the efficacy of masks is to accept the premise that slowing the spread is beneficial to humanity. I have not seen proof of this, on the contrary, I have seen evidence that attempts at slowing the spread is catastrophic to humanity. More people may die from coronavirus alone as a result of these actions.
So why do YOU think wearing a mask is a big deal?
This is what happens when you think you're having a serious conversation, and you're really only listening to CNN.
Lockdowns and business closures must happen if people don't wear masks? Why is that the automatic, accepted assumption?
Think about the long journey a fart must undergo to offend your olfactory senses and remember that smells come from molecules (COMPOUNDS) that are much larger than a virus.
Well, with the attitude that we need to close business and eliminate jobs OR wear masks, it should come as no surprise that you're reaping what you've sowed. Let me guess... You were pro lockdown until times got tough.
They didn't start with masks did they? They started with the most austere, ridiculous measures possible and started working their way back. They put millions, yourself included, out of work, to "stop the spread" and "flatten the curve." To what effect? Where are we now because of those "heroic" efforts? Do you feel like the loss of your job saved a life? Do you feel like your hardships are and were worth it? Do you think that maybe... Just maybe... they didn't think ahead to what the backend costs of the lockdown might be? And now, we're all supposed to peacefully comply and trust these same assholes who told us back in March not to wear a mask because putting you out of work was more important!
1. Literally no one has seen anything like this event in their lifetime, on this global scale and magnitude. Expecting someone with no special expertise in epidemiology or government to somehow divine the correct response instantaneously and stick with it throughout the entirety of this event is ludicrous. Is this something you're genuinely expecting of people? I was very concerned about the economic impact then, and I'm still very concerned about it now, I can just better voice and direct those concerns having gained some life experience.
2. Fuck CNN, fuck MSNBC, fuck Steven Colbert, Rachel Maddow, and whatever other talking head they've got now, I don't listen to that liberal swill. They'd like to boil down all the country's issues to an equation of "cheeto man = bad". I think I already said I'm 25, I definitely don't know anyone in their 20s that takes that shit seriously. CNN is an irrelevant echo chamber, I hoped we could have a conversation with you trying to reduce me to that as a strawman.
3. Telling people not to wear masks was a transparent ploy to save limited supplies for frontline medical professionals. Right or wrong (and I heavily lean towards wrong in this case, due to the total erosion of public trust this kind of inconsistent messaging creates), this was the intention behind the action. Seems like there's probably a reason medical professionals want to wear them, and common sense reasoning backs why it would have some beneficial effect. They're nowhere near 100% effective but they certainly can't hurt.
4. The lockdown was useless because it was poorly implemented by vacillating politicians who first wanted to ignore the situation, then caved to public pressure, coming in with a severe response much too late in the game. They essentially implemented it in such a way that it gave us the worst of both worlds. We got the economic catastrophe without it doing anything to halt the viral spread. As soon as this became apparent to the public they vacillated back to reopening. I don't feel that the lockdown accomplished anything other than eroding trust and solidarity, but this has as much or more to do with how it was implemented as the strategy of a lockdown in itself.
5. Given the place we are in now, with a large pool of viral infection, an extremely volatile political situation, and severe economic damage already done, the best path forward is taking any and all precautions that don't involve further economic harm. This is the best way to allow for reconstruction while avoiding future viral spikes, more panic, and another poorly implemented lockdown. It's so much better to accept some truly minor inconveniences than to have the economy destroyed for nothing all over again.
1. What sense of spirituality is that? The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Bottom Half of Your Own Face? Your spiritual cost literally doesn't matter. We're talking about people losing their livelihoods and dying.
2. I can still hang out with people with the bottom half of my face covered. If I'm on a date that's going well I'll def take the mask off at that point, but that is a much smaller, calculated instance of risk.
3. I'm making my own decisions. It's just smarter to wear a mask at this point. If I didn't believe it was a smarter decision for all the reasons I explained in detail I wouldn't do it.
They have been suspiciously quiet for a while now. What's interesting to me is how everybody that is still pro-panic sounds exactly like the guy quoted below. It's a combination of chicken little/listen to the overlords/listen to the experts BS they've been spouting from day one. If four and a half months of evidence hasn't changed anyones mind it's not even worth arguing with them.
The government has lost control and lost trust. If masks are so important, why didn't we start with that instead of hitting the lockdown panic button? Why are we even trying to "slow the spread" or whatever when Sweden and others have done the opposite with great success. Why should you or I listen to these idiots anymore? When someone is panicking you don't indulge them, you either slap some sense into them or leave them behind.
If the governors really cared about their people they would all stand up on national television, tell everyone that the danger of Covid-19 was grossly exaggerated, and that the response was incredibly innappropriate and destructive. They would take responsibility and apologize for the lives they've destroyed. They would all resign from their offices and willingly go to prison for their crimes.
The fact that none of them are doing this means that they have given up their right to lead. The only reason any of them are still in office is because they're a bunch of power-hungry psychopaths.
Implicit in your entire post is the notion that the government is right and must make this decision for us because only They know what is best. Additionally, you’re not really arguing for or against masks here, and you’ve not made any important points. You’re basically saying we should comply because “it’s not that big of a deal”.
So when the government finally decides (because Obama talked about this some time ago) that you can’t eat foods with saturated fats anymore because They know best and must protect you, will your argument be “guys, Impossible Burgers aren’t that bad. Why are you against the No Fat Allowed Law?” After all, obesity and CVD are endemic and we must(!) stop them both.
I have no problem with masks per se. People can and should wear them if they want because freedom. Just like how people should be able to assess their own risk of getting COVID and decide whether or not they should go out in the first place to manage that risk.