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    Quote Originally Posted by George Christiansen View Post
    So the citizen bribes the politician with votes and the politicians bribe the voters with special favors.

    The problem with the US Government is that it reflects the population fairly well.

    The only proof you need is it's existence.

    While there are certainly systematic changes that need to be made, the crisis is moral. We need better people. There's a severe shortage. The current happenings are just revealing that.

    As I said before, I have realized with age that removing the land-ownership requirement for voting may have been a grave mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Christiansen View Post
    It amazes me that so many people cannot see that corporatism and unionism are two heads of the same monster: corrupt business in bed with corrupt government. And they tend to be unable to be able to see that the corrupt government is the bigger problem. No matter how corrupt a business owner may be, it cannot force a just government to do it's bidding whereas the opposite is not the case.

    What we are seeing now, which has always been the case to some degree or another, but which new technology has facilitated in a way previously impossible, is that the corruptness of the general population now has the power to operate as the multinational corporation has for years to get their will enforced by power. Everyone is a fucking lobbyist now. The average schmo realized that he can leverage these devils to legally cheat his neighbor. So the citizen bribes the politician with votes and the politicians bribe the voters with special favors.

    The problem with the US Government is that it reflects the population fairly well.

    The only proof you need is it's existence.

    While there are certainly systematic changes that need to be made, the crisis is moral. We need better people. There's a severe shortage. The current happenings are just revealing that.
    Reflects the population how? In terms of catering to the innate desire for free, seemingly high quality things? Or the actual demographics?

    Sociopaths make up about 3-5 percent of the population; however, even casually, the government at all levels reflects a much higher value. This seems to be an inherent structural feature of the modern democratic state. The cult of personality as it were.

    But, it’s always “we need better people.” This becomes, “we need the right people.” Ultimately ending up as “we need our people.”

    I don’t think any more “people” is the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Rowe View Post
    Put these two things together. We're not THAT close to collapse, but we were never that far away, either. And each individual, while the ultimate sovereign authority in how they decide to act, is singularly incapable of stopping any of this. That's why I choose to spend my time preparing as much as I can, and building relationships with family, neighbors and broader communities. It will be necessary, and even then -- some problems in life might still be bigger than all of us.

    I'm going to live my life as fully as possible, and I'm going to die like the last viking holding the bridge if it becomes necessary. I'm under no illusions that such a death with guarantee a future for anyone (including my own children). If we get our shit together, though, it likely won't be.




    I am not, and it might be bad, but it's not the worst it could possible be.



    The discussion here, and the broader situation, have evolved over months. They will continue to evolve. So again: pay attention. You're misrepresenting what I said.



    Again, it's hard to speak to something that's a misrepresentation of my position. I'm very tired of what I see to be defeatist, histrionic pussies wailing and gnashing their teeth. Maybe that's you, and maybe it isn't. Even with the economic downfall we've experienced, there's a clear path forward. Even with the erosion of rights and leadership, there's a key election coming up. If things collapse anyway, then again -- you'd best have prepared yourself.

    Now isn't the time to give up. Take the situation for exactly what it is, and push onward.
    Fair response, David- thank you for taking the time to organize your thoughts and reply. On the mandatory draft issue, I'm just curious how the few countries out there that already do this make it work - I know for example that Russia sticks most of its draftees into border stations. Wow; what a wet dream! We could institute mandatory two-year military service, to be served along our great, expansive, beautiful border!

    But I can't see how I'm mis-representing or mis-understanding you; perhaps you just don't like the logical conclusions that must be drawn from your assessment of America's crises?

    You are presenting a strawman argument that "pussies" are over-reacting to what's going on and then giving up, by....what? Exaggerating how bad things are right now? What is it that the "defeatist, histrionic pussies" are saying that is an over-reaction to you?

    IMHO, Anything short of tying the noose around our leaders' necks, as Mark fantasized about pages ago, is not over-reaction, given what is happening now and has been carried out through slow-drip progressive policies over the past 30+ years.
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    But I'm sick of arguing with you over the appropriate level of disgust and action warranted in our country right now.

    Obama in eight years got [....] (fill in your own preferred list of his successes);
    While Trump has only gotten [...],
    and your preferred course of action is, what? (Cuz it SOUNDS like polite, status quo-approved, same-old, same-old RINO action is what you think is appropriate)

    So many other countries are "allowed" to have nationalist laws, protect their native cultures, have borders, limit immigration, etc....because why? Are they smarter than us? Are their people more cunning and more in control of their leaders? What are the correlative and causal factors that allow White Europeans to institute conservative, nationalist laws and societies?
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    Sorry, but the debate I'm willing to have with you further isn't whether things are as bad as the "pussies" make it seem - there are 500+ pages here of pussies documenting a Covid liberty-crisis that you think isn't really that bad a deal; not as close to collapse as it feels (if that's not what you think, you've done a poor job of expressing yourself).

    The debate is over which course of action will be MOST EFFECTIVE (not the most comfortable) going forward:

    the RINO status quo of voting, using our institutions as intended (Constitutionally), as in, "Trump can't do that! He's not a dictator!!," giving tax breaks every few years, "p0wning" the Libs on the few media channels still available to us, etc.;

    or, something else? (No one's defined this "something else" yet, but with you and I stuck debating whether action is even warranted, whether the situation is as catastrophic as it seems, we can't even get this far)

    Or am I prsenting a false dichotomy? What are the other options out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Kirkham View Post
    I think anyone who cared about spending has given up, including Trump. We are all just wondering when it will crash. Republicans and Democrats alike will gleefully spend (pay off their buddies) until there are no more zeros left in the computer and the credit card is revoked. Hell, they'd probably figure out how to keep on spending on pet projects even after that.
    The last effort to pretend to care about the budget was during the Clinton administration. It was part of the republican contract with America.

    Clinton had lost both houses of Congress 2yrs in and was forced right. He capitulated (including welfare reform) on budget because he valued his legacy over his integrity. Ultimately Gingrich was assassinated by the media. So, so much for that.

    No efforts to be fiscally responsible since then as far as I can tell.

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    Today's scare-propaganda: We're only just beginning to learn how the coronavirus affects the brain - CNN

    Another paper published last month in The Lancet Psychiatry looked at 153 patients in the UK and found even those younger than 60 could have psychosis, depression or strokes.
    And this certainly wasn't true before COVID-19 decimated the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    This is what happens when Professional Researchers meet propaganda organs.
    Researchers interested in honest work, rather than pivoting the quickest, are fed up as well.
    Entire fields of research are being lured away from their primary area of expertise to the pandemic response. Scientists working in areas that have nothing to do with COVID-19 are expending a tremendous amount of energy pivoting their work to the response.
    ...
    In my field, tuberculosis (TB) research, many researchers have already pivoted to COVID-19. This is a loss, since TB is the leading infectious killer and is getting even worse because of the pandemic.
    This “lingering problems” article in Science Magazine has lots of scary hyperlinks, but even more irony:
    Life for the 38-year-old is a pale shadow of what it was before 17 March, the day she first experienced symptoms of the novel coronavirus...“I used to go to the gym three times a week,” Akrami says. Now, “My physical activity is bed to couch, maybe couch to kitchen.”
    And, to be fair, some deeply-buried context:
    Infections with other pathogens are associated with lasting impacts ranging from heart problems to chronic fatigue. “Medicine has been used to dealing with this problem” of acute viral illness followed by ongoing symptoms, says Michael Zandi, a neurologist at UCL. Even common illnesses such as pneumonia can mean a monthslong recovery.

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    Three indicted for allegedly throwing Molotov cocktails at NYPD vehicles


    Add this to the list of ways The Establishment stacks the game against "us" (Conservative populists, or is there a better descriptor? Deplorables!).
    Who thinks the second-generation immigrant lawyers, one wearing socialist propaganda and smirking in her mug shot, will face serious consequences?
    Remember, the Proud Boys defending people and property from AntiFa got jail time
    Proud Boys members get prison for brawl with Antifa protesters | Fox News
    While we're all witnessing with our own eyes AntiFa destroying people and property with no consequences.

    It cannot all be coincidental, right? How would Occam's Razor explain this all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordanNewell View Post
    Genuine question from someone who only vaguely follows US politics: what specific things has Trump done that you approve of?
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    I didn't even know a bunch of these since our media's existence isn't to inform us.

    And no I don't agree with all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haghstull View Post
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    ...What is to be done? Does anybody have an idea about where we can start? I'm so desperate, I'm open to anything...
    I keep hearing this; This sentiment is everywhere, not just on this board.

    The biggest mistake I see is people making is thinking they need to go from 0 to 60 immediately. Go from 0 to 10. Then 10 to 20...

    Just take a small step in the right direction. You as an individual are best able to determine what step you should take.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Corruption follows money, and we used to be a wealthy country.
    You guys will be fine. The only thing really fucking you up is the long goddamn wait until the elections.

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