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    This article about the latest George Floyd sums up my feelings perfectly:

    NJP Statement On the Violence in Kenosha, Wisconsin – National Justice Party


    "Trump won’t do anything because he can’t and he doesn’t want to. His donors, who are largely from the same class and background and share the same social views as large Democratic donors, are on the side of black lives matter. Rather than speak up for Whites and our concerns, the President and his party focus instead on attacking the Democrats for being the “real racists.” This dishonest rhetorical device, conceived by Dinesh D’Souza to help the GOP avoid accidentally slipping up and racially advocating for Whites, was once thought to be a clever retort. It is now simply annoying and insulting to the people that actually vote for Republicans."

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    The Yahoo! article is just a reprint from an article in Bicycling. Yahoo! seems to do that a lot.

    The sensationalism interests me. I remember seeing old footage of a young news hawker standing on a street corner selling newspapers with the headlines of the Titanic sinking.

    Those kids often had sensationalist ways of selling the paper. “Extra! Extra! Read all about it! Unsinkable ship takes a plunge!” Was the way they sold the news.

    Times have changed. Mediums have changed. People’s willingness to succumb to drama hasn’t. I guess it still works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovan Dragisic View Post
    Doesn’t surprise me that a respiratory infection had adverse effects on cardiovascular exercise. Maybe this will make people stop jogging though?
    There are no corroborating reports of a 30ish NYC CrossFitter who died of a heart attack in March/April. (Back then, I was paying close attention this news, and would have heard of it.) I suspect this anecdote is just another Expert fabrication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenni View Post
    This is where I think people have it backwards. It's not the waitress making $3 an hour and getting SNAP that's the weak link. She's not the one we've extended welfare to and thus will make us weaker as a group. It's the hedge fund manager. It's the WalMarts. It's the politicians. Those paper pushing idiots who can't handle an actual free market or the work that goes with it but come running to the electorate claiming they are too big to fail. Those are the ones that have weakened us over all. Those are the ones who should be subject to the Darwinism they advocate for others. They have had to use fake, made up shit to design a system that supports their weakness and allows them to keep power. Their little sheets of cotton-linen are not backed by anything other than compliance and they have no real skills. They are the ones dragging us down. Your average blue collar guy/gal who works 10 hours a day and barely makes it is in the position he's in because of their laziness and dishonesty not because he's actually a bad worker. Keeping power takes schemes and unfairness and a general sneaky wad of bullshit that decent folk rarely even think of. But you take away all that and what does the average banker or politician have? What good do they contribute to the people and their community? What art do they create? I've met more than a few and they damn sure don't have the creativity, brains, or situational awareness god gave a billy goat. Yet we give them billions in corporate welfare because they don't have the balls to handle an actual free market.
    The glories of socialism.

    When corruption or corporate welfare decides who is wealthy, middle-management types tend to succeed. If you want to be honest about middle management types, they fit a certain profile: slightly higher IQ than average, but not overly intelligent, physically capable of doing work, but not highly capable of work, generally not physically ugly or weak, but not physically strong or great looking, passive conformists, highly risk averse.
    They are not the best genetically, but they also tend to be slightly better than average in most respects.

    The United States is still capitalistic and meritocratic enough that a positive correlation still exists between intelligence and success. I have known many successful, wealthy people and they are mostly at least reasonably intelligent. The extremely wealthy people I have known have without exception been extremely intelligent and hard working.

    There is also a strong correlation between those who are dependent on life-long government subsidy or welfare and low intelligence, health problems, physical unattractiveness and a disposition towards physical weakness or frailty.

    The blue collar worker or waitress that needs temporary assistance is not a genetic problem. They are the group that gets priced out of reproducing under our current socialist system. They are almost by definition of average genetic quality. Some blue collar workers are highly physically gifted and we often end up calling them professional athletes. Some are intelligent and we end up calling them small business owners.

    It is the lowest 33% of the gene pool that is reproducing at an alarmingly high rate.

    However, equality measures and welfare will statistically allow the weak and unintelligent to succeed and breed much more than they would be able to naturally, based on merit or strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewLewis View Post
    I find this style of "journalism" to be superfluous and pedestrian. I understand it as a stylistic choice if someone is doing a human interest story on a 90 year-old man running a marathon or a story of two young girls running an impressively successful lemonade stand. However, this is a story about a world-affecting illness. I'm not here for the emotion. I want some facts.

    You mentioned it earlier, Rip, that every major network writes in this way. Why do you think the market place decided this is a good way to write articles?
    Do you think if journalists and media organisations were actually held personally responsible for any distribution of information that was not proven fact it would change their actions? It seems that they currently understand and exploit the knowledge that they can get away with publishing blatant lies without consequence.
    Perhaps a charge of domestic terrorism (minimum 5 years in prison) for anything published that could not be backed up in a court of law with significant evidence would make them think twice before spouting their horseshit? (this goes for both the left and the right MSM, as both are guilty of this).

    MSM is for the most part high-school gossip dressed up as with a "holier than thou" atittude. I despise them.
    I would personally choose becoming a criminal over becoming a mainstream journalist any day of the week. Both require you to sell your soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Christiansen View Post
    Another big difference is that the blue collar worker is often too tired and preoccupied to leverage things via politics while the hedge fund dealer has the time between hands and thanks to having the funds for other people to raise their kids, do their landscaping, and deliver their groceries does. So the former is a good target for a certain brand of politician that is doing "for" them...., which, of course, is a lie.
    I don't know if I buy that version.
    The working folk I know have time and energy to help their community. They are the ones that come out to clear the roads when the tornadoes down the trees. They are the ones I see at the church (which in our hood is more like a community center) when it's time to make the food or set up for the children's events. I also see them when we pack boxes at the food bank. Never seen a banker there though. Or a politician unless they had a wad of cameras and didn't actually lift a finger. I think it's rather an economy of effort. Working folks, real people, know that their time is not spent well dealing in politics. We know it's a made up game for people who can only succeed at made up games. It's for people who can't succeed at real world effort so they need to know the right hand to grease. We don't need that. We aren't fooled into thinking politicians will do for us which is why so many of us are for smaller or less intrusive government no matter the label we may choose to define that. I think us unwashed masses vote for the guy we think will do less damage, the useful idiot at best. I also think we're the first to find ways around the need for governmental systems and interventions. We're not made dull and stupid by fatigue we just don't see value there and thus no reason to pursue it.

    Also, that's not my argument up there but what I'd do if a gun was pointed at me better be a fuck of a lot different than what a cop- a representative of the law- should be doing. If it's not then ya'll are seriously overpaying those bastards. And if you genuinely think tasers aren't effective message me sometime, I need practice with mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiva Kaul View Post
    There are no corroborating reports of a 30ish NYC CrossFitter who died of a heart attack in March/April. (Back then, I was paying close attention this news, and would have heard of it.) I suspect this anecdote is just another Expert fabrication.
    It has been my professional experience while working for the media that not only will the journalists lie, people that the stories are about are more than happy to join. What we’re seeing here increasingly, and I’m sure it happens all over the place, is a semi-well-known person getting diagnosed and then milking the media attention for all that it’s worth. Stuff like two months later my hair is falling out at an alarming rate. Dude, it may just be that hitting fifty leads to hair loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    All governments are manned by sociopaths.
    More than just a statement, but fact. I would add psychopaths and narcissist too. I always wondered why someone would go into public office, then I learned about cluster b personalities.

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    This board lacks a sufficient understanding of the situation to make a determination of fault on behalf of the officers involved with the Blake incident.

    -The psychological and physiological factors of high stress situations and shooting.
    -The threat an unarmed assailant poses.
    -The threat a knife welding assailant poses.
    -The training budget in time and money for this police department.
    -The other factors that influence officer behavior (overtime, lack of sleep, emotional state, public behavior/support, prior knowledge of the individual).
    -Why policy for use of lethal force in a felony stop is immediately justifiable, and why this is broadly true in this country (if not ubiquitous).

    You all also drastically overestimate the effectiveness of tasers and other non-lethal. Yes, I've had both used on me. You likely also overestimate lethal effects. All of these are just tools, and are far from reliable or universally effective.

    Remember when Floyd was an open-and-shut case? I remember. Then the rest of the video dropped. This police department hadn't even been able to budget for body cameras until 2022.

    No, individual analysis should be repeated in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Maybe they'd be worth studying. I think the problem with them is that they are already cheap, available, and have already been studied.
    My understanding is that they have been studied quite a bit, but there are vested interests that do not want them used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Now you're sounding like a fool, George. I suspect you have never been tased.
    Yes. I must be oh so foolish to think that my own response to being tazed is not the exactly the same as someone who is an antisocial felon and unafraid to fight with the police in the first place and then afterwards, at a walking pace, go to their car to get a gun. There is obviously zero difference between that guy and myself. Hell, with a tan, you'd think we were twins.

    Not to mention the huge number of videos out there clearly demonstrating my point of guys laughing off being tazed. Often beating the crap out of the cop or worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    If you are assuming the cops knew his history with guns, once again: Why Did They Let Him Go Back To The Car??????? They fucked this up.
    The video shows them attempting to restrain him and failing to do so. The idea that they just needed better training just shows that you have likely never been in a fight with someone who was a criminal sociopath with more than ego on the line.

    How much training do you expect cops to have?

    There are numerous videos and stories of professional fighters getting their asses handed to them by some nobody on the street.

    Then there's the added factor of what happens to the cops when they are actually on the ground fighting this guy. I can tell you exactly what would happen to you or me in a black neighborhood if that happened. Maybe the fear of the badge lowers the possibility of the cops getting jumped in a normal year, but in these "trying times" I would not be willing to put myself in that position if I was them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I don't either. That's why I'm not a cop.
    So what is your standard of training required to be a cop?

    The small percentage of people who could easily handle themselves in these situations, although luck can be more decisive of the outcome of a fight than anything else, are not the people I want dealing with the public. We have enough ex-military cops who think they are at war and treat every encounter as if they were. We have enough cops who enjoy fighting and will happily provoke people into them. I don't want to be policed by them.

    Do we send in SWAT or similar units to deal with these people?

    The single problem with this shooting is the apologizing and explaining of "we'll try harder". It is just more enabling and emboldening of the same shit.

    A few PDs having the balls to own this sort of thing and use it as the warning it should be seen as over the last decade+ would have decreased the cases like this, not to mention prevented the city from burning more than anything they will actually do, including more training.

    But instead we're to where we need to cure riots with snipers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Norman View Post
    That's very clever, what you did with his name.

    He's not proposing any change to the relationship between the branches of government. It's just a candidacy/campaign proposal, that's part of the elegance of it.

    I'm sure you don't mean to say that the POTUS isn't the leader of the country. I'm sure you wouldn't be suggesting that the office of President is equal in terms of leadership to that of Speaker of the House, Leader of the Majority in the Senate, or a Supreme Court Justice.

    Because someone would have to be a total fucking idiot to suggest that.

    If you have anything to say about the substance of the proposal, that would be fine too.
    What kind of fucking idiot would actually think that this was an actual response to what I actually wrote though?

    Although I'm guess the level of asshole that person achieved trumped the level of idiot required to respond with what a more cynical person than I would assume was just a stawman argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark E. Hurling View Post
    While tasers (like pepper spray or other chemical agents) have been over-rated, misused, abused, and on occasion fail on VERY highly charged up arrestees, never is too broad a generalization.
    I would have assumed that someone as verbose as yourself would recognize hyperbole.

    And yes I see those other three finger, but I know hyperbole too.

    How "highly charged" does one have to be to be able to leisurely walk to your car after two cops tried to cuff you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Jackson View Post
    This article about the latest George Floyd sums up my feelings perfectly:

    NJP Statement On the Violence in Kenosha, Wisconsin – National Justice Party


    "Trump won’t do anything because he can’t and he doesn’t want to. His donors, who are largely from the same class and background and share the same social views as large Democratic donors, are on the side of black lives matter. Rather than speak up for Whites and our concerns, the President and his party focus instead on attacking the Democrats for being the “real racists.” This dishonest rhetorical device, conceived by Dinesh D’Souza to help the GOP avoid accidentally slipping up and racially advocating for Whites, was once thought to be a clever retort. It is now simply annoying and insulting to the people that actually vote for Republicans."
    Neither party wants to do anything about the riots because they both think that the riots swing public opinion their way.

    The Republicans literally using Biden and Harris being too tough on crime as a talking points against them while Trump sends out his thousandth "LAW AND ORDER" tweet is pretty hard to watch.

    It's really rather heartwarming to know that the R's are neither the REAL racisses nor big meanies to criminals nor the kind of people who would make big corporations have to pay qualified unemployed Americans to do a job that an Indian can do much cheaper!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenni View Post
    I don't know if I buy that version.
    The working folk I know have time and energy to help their community. They are the ones that come out to clear the roads when the tornadoes down the trees. They are the ones I see at the church (which in our hood is more like a community center) when it's time to make the food or set up for the children's events. I also see them when we pack boxes at the food bank. Never seen a banker there though. Or a politician unless they had a wad of cameras and didn't actually lift a finger. I think it's rather an economy of effort. Working folks, real people, know that their time is not spent well dealing in politics. We know it's a made up game for people who can only succeed at made up games. It's for people who can't succeed at real world effort so they need to know the right hand to grease. We don't need that. We aren't fooled into thinking politicians will do for us which is why so many of us are for smaller or less intrusive government no matter the label we may choose to define that. I think us unwashed masses vote for the guy we think will do less damage, the useful idiot at best. I also think we're the first to find ways around the need for governmental systems and interventions. We're not made dull and stupid by fatigue we just don't see value there and thus no reason to pursue it.
    A great misrepresentation of what I wrote and attempt to make it as though I am someone on the outside looking in and down at some lazy dull unwashed mass of nonvolunteers.

    Your quite lucky that Marx can't sue you for plagiarism with that Disney-esque portrayal of blue vs white collar people.

    There are tons of blue collar unions, so you talking about some general disinterest in political leverage on the part of blue collar workers is just ridiculous.

    The fact that these unions were generally started and are currently maintained by people NOT doing the actual work of the people the represent demonstrates my point.

    But to my main point: Someone with the cash to not do even have to do their own household chores, who doesn't have a physically demanding job, whose job has significant amounts of down time, ect is in actual objective fact going to have more time and energy to check out Joe Biden's actual voting record than anyone I worked with in the decades of construction work that I did.

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