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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Santana View Post
    My friend from LA, an admitted leftist, attempted to ask me if "fraud could account for that much of it" arguing that the notion that mass collusion to inflate numbers is unlikely. I would agree with this because as we know government is too disorganized for this and the industries which rely on government are not much better. However, collusion is not necessary to carry on systemic fraud that has been ongoing for decades. All one needs to do is "his job," which is to diagnose the most profitable diagnosis available.
    It is amazing that people simply will not allow themselves to grasp this simple fact.

    The state and local governments essentially shutdown and bankrupt hospitals and then the Federal government offers them "free" money IF the patients they do see are Covid cases seems like are rather easy way to offer incentives to over diagnose it.

    But nurses, like teachers, in spite of tasteless Tik Tok videos and sex with minors, shall never bee seen as anything but saints by a certain part of the population.

    And there's obvious carryover of their holiness to the rest of the medical field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfsully View Post
    Looks to be about 200k, per CDC. This is total excess deaths, from any cause.
    Yes, 200,000. Which is kind of spooky in that our current covid19 death tally is right around 185,000 or so.

    So I don't know how much the covid19 deaths could have been exaggerated if those two numbers are so close.

    I guess covid came on in March. (well, the dramatic increase in deaths).
    Total deaths in general goes back to 1/1/2020.
    Hell, the 185,000 reported covid deaths might even be a LOW number by a bit.

    With regards to how much of a statistical significance 10% is ...with 330 million people, and a curve/chart that looks so predictable and consistent.
    I'd say 10% is very significant from a statistics point of view.

    Worth "shutting down the economy"? Well, no.
    But I don't think we did shut down the economy to extent people say.
    We are sure acting like we did, which makes it look that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by ltomo View Post
    My worry is that a precedent has now been set. Some new thing will happen in the coming years, society will freak out to a similar degree, and the response will be just as overzealous.

    I think masks are going to become mandatory every flu season from now on. If society justified forcing everyone to wear them for something that's barely worse than the flu, why not use them for the flu itself?

    If governors were able to declare a state of emergency for Covid, why not fudge the numbers to make the next flu season look bad? Declaring a stare of emergency could be an effective way to swing elections.

    We've crossed the Rubicon. Lockdowns and mandatory clothing are permanent pages in every politician's playbook from here on out, unless legislation gets passed that says otherwise.
    I think there is a good chance it will be the total opposite.
    Now that the world is coming out of the other side of this, they are seeing and realizing it wasn't so bad.
    Sweden hasn't been reduced to ashes.
    France and Spain are having case re-spikes with no real swell in covid-deaths.

    Especially, if this does turn out to be like the flu and just (almost) go away with time.
    The next test will be this winter (in the northern hemisphere).
    If there is only a slight bump in cases, and no vaccine has been put into use yet,
    I could see the general populous being quite suspect of the Health Authorities and The Media going forward.
    They got so much wrong on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordanNewell View Post
    Sure, death rates and economic damage correlate well across countries. The best way to protect the economy (more specifically: maintain discretionary consumer spending) is to control the virus. The idea that these goals are in opposition is wrong, and will go down as a classic economic fallacy.
    The virus doesn't need controlling. It's not very lethal, and it's over. Look it up. Head-out-of-your-ass time.

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    Black person bricks old white man in the head for the crime of being white. Stated specifically in caption of video on Instagram by Tray Savage: "White lives don't matter."

    https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/st...14877970960384

    No cities burned.
    Sidney Crosby makes no statement about racism.
    No one takes a knee.
    No legacy media coverage.
    No 10 FBI agents rushing to solve the case like a garage door rope pull.
    Lebron is no where to be found.
    No arrest.
    No hate crime charge.

    Expect this to increase as people see that this is permitted.

    And then expect retaliations while media reports those.

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    If you walk around in an "urban" area, without any situational awareness or your carry weapon, you are a fool. If you are prohibited from carrying by your local jurisdiction, you are a fool for staying there. We are in the early stages of a war, ladies and gentlemen. Plan accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Santana View Post

    You are still missing a very important point. The data collection procedures are completely flawed by the fact that healthcare administrators, as standard practice, will diagnose the most profitable diagnosis.
    I am interested in hearing more from you, a professional healthcare practitioner, about how you are reconciling this basic factual observation with your belief that policymakers should protect the private health insurance bureaucracy.

    Again, you work in HC, so I am sure that you are aware that the U.S. system is roughly twice as expensive on a per-person basis compared with single-payer systems in similarly developed countries. I also know you are aware that outcomes are generally worse—for many reasons, one of which is clearly the perverse incentives endemic to the healthcare-for-profit paradigm. I’m just… having a tremendous amount of trouble accepting that you have such a clear view of the rottenness of the U.S. system and are still spouting these age-old conservative talking points about how “government always messes stuff up”? Can you please elaborate on this view of yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haghstull View Post
    Still, I think it is important to point out that people who do bad things deserve equal protection under the law. The fact that Kyle Rittenhouse was some preternaturally violent problem kid who is likely not capable of empathy in the same way that the average person is does not mean it is perfectly fine to imprison him for legal self-defense actions.
    And you replied with that:

    Quote Originally Posted by ForbiddenDonut View Post

    Oh look, the classic SJW character assassination distraction, to completely deflect the fact that this kid did nothing wrong on the night of the riots. He did something bad before all of that though, so hes obviously guilty and a racist bigot homophobe.
    …did you accidentally quote the wrong person? I’m making literally, exactly the opposite of the points you are claiming I am making. Literally, exactly the opposite.

    Fulcrum: just want to say I appreciate your work these past few pages. You have an excellent ratio of informed::sycophantic compared to a lot of people on this board. And as I’ve said before, I authentically like this board and the most of the people on it, so… it’s a complement.

    Rip: thank you for promoting me from parasite to worm. Do you think that maybe one day, if I write REALLY artfully and argue REALLY vehemently for my beliefs… you will grant me the rank of “Resident Socialist Rodent”? It’s my fondest hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    The virus doesn't need controlling.
    Remember when we successfully controlled any virus that was capable of large-scale or global pandemic infection?

    Yeah, me neither. I seem to recall someone in this thread mocking me for darkly laughing at the hubris of man that we believe we were anywhere close to possessing the knowledge or technology to even significantly deter the spread. Not to mention gain-of-function.

    Oh well. We're off the high-dive board and mid-air over the pool. Water's probably colder than it looks. Maybe if we flap our arms really hard while we wear a mask...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForbiddenDonut View Post
    So like I said, he didn't fight and make himself the hard out. Instead, he cowered and caved to save himself money when he's already a billionaire. Then released a statement affirming his guilt and that those going after him had the high ground. That's really taking a stand.
    Alright, big man. Have you done anything? Anything at all? Oh, you had the courage to call people who actually did something "cowards"? Good job. Well done. Let me know when you do something big enough to make international news.

    He refused to bow down to them. Why do you think he is being targeted by the media and character assassinated? I would prefer he declared all out war too, but it would not be the correct move. I know he is a very intelligent man and a fighter. $100 million is a lot more powerful than being a moron who tangles himself up in endless lawsuits that give the leftists more character assassination ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordanNewell View Post
    Sure, death rates and economic damage correlate well across countries. The best way to protect the economy (more specifically: maintain discretionary consumer spending) is to control the virus. The idea that these goals are in opposition is wrong, and will go down as a classic economic fallacy.
    Let me guess.... You’re still working from home, used to making decisions on a computer screen, distanced far from reality.

    One thing I learned about the lockdown is that many of the non-essential people working in this capacity, truly are non-essential and are entirely fucking useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordanNewell View Post
    Sure, death rates and economic damage correlate well across countries. The best way to protect the economy (more specifically: maintain discretionary consumer spending) is to control the virus. The idea that these goals are in opposition is wrong, and will go down as a classic economic fallacy.
    Fuck, did you really make the "classic economic fallacy" of conflating discretionary consumer spending with the economy???

    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Rowe View Post
    Remember when we successfully controlled any virus that was capable of large-scale or global pandemic infection?

    Yeah, me neither. I seem to recall someone in this thread mocking me for darkly laughing at the hubris of man that we believe we were anywhere close to possessing the knowledge or technology to even significantly deter the spread. Not to mention gain-of-function.

    Oh well. We're off the high-dive board and mid-air over the pool. Water's probably colder than it looks. Maybe if we flap our arms really hard while we wear a mask...
    Sweden, Belarus, South Dakota, Peru, Italy, Spain, New York, California.

    Almost like the more we do, the worse it gets.

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