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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Australia comes to Ohio: IS THIS AMERICA — Ohio woman arrested and tazed at son’s outdoor football game — For not wearing a mask! – CITIZEN FREE PRESS

    Arrested by "police" not themselves wearing masks. Society doesn't get out of this intact.
    Unbelievable.

    Not sure what's worse, that this happened at all or that no one did anything about it while it was happening.

    The "cops" not wearing masks at the end is even more amazing.

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    This is exactly what I'm talking about. All the mask-wearers sat obediently on their asses, content with merely being displeased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Australia comes to Ohio: IS THIS AMERICA — Ohio woman arrested and tazed at son’s outdoor football game — For not wearing a mask! – CITIZEN FREE PRESS

    Arrested by "police" not themselves wearing masks. Society doesn't get out of this intact.
    This. Here in Europe people are drilled to expect the "second wave" to be more harmful than the initial spread of the virus. If the "second wave" doesn't happen, what will happen to the people's accumulated fear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Australia comes to Ohio: IS THIS AMERICA — Ohio woman arrested and tazed at son’s outdoor football game — For not wearing a mask! – CITIZEN FREE PRESS

    Arrested by "police" not themselves wearing masks. Society doesn't get out of this intact.
    The scary thing isn't the police doing this, the people online applauding it or the politicians ordering it. What is most terrifying is the rest of the people in the stands who do nothing.

    Individual liberty. Civil and human rights. Free market. Law and order. These are ideas, and they usually manifest physically and with some force. But what happens when the idea dies? When does it die? When enough people no longer believe it? When they don't hold to it from a lack of courage?

    Maybe Western society is dead and has been. Maybe we've been mocking Europe while we lived on in the husk of the same dead god long-passed-on because not enough people remained who believed enough to sustain it. Or maybe it's just that enough people need to vote one more time to clear their consciences before they resort to other acts like civil disobedience or violent resistance to tyrants and zealots.

    Oh, well. The die is cast. We'll find out soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Rott View Post
    This. Here in Europe people are drilled to expect the "second wave" to be more harmful than the initial spread of the virus. If the "second wave" doesn't happen, what will happen to the people's accumulated fear?
    One hopes it will change their attitude about their rulers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Rott View Post
    Sorry for spamming on you guys with German content, but this happens worldwide, so I use it as an example. Evidence vs. media/politics vs. the people. Who`s gonna win this fight?
    Europe had a major shift about a month ago. Numerous officials, not necessarily heads of state but close to it, put it in plain terms that the lockdown stage will not be repeated. They have all realized how expensive it is to the state treasury. The first thing the media jumped on was comparing various economies and the fall in GDP figures. They tried to push a story of how exporting countries weathered the fall in GDP because of their exports, not because they didn’t lock up quite as much. As if you could go into perpetual quarantine as long as you had a strong car industry or whatever.

    When that failed to rouse the attention and new lockdown enthusiasm, they jumped on the case numbers again. As if the “record” rise in cases was not a result of amplified testing across the board. My guess is they are still hoping to see the dreaded rise in fatalities in the fall, which does not seem to be materializing. The only thing left to push now is a continent wide mask mandate and maybe some more bar, restaurant and gym restrictions. I don’t think European politicians are not on the side of the media at this point, the elections are far off in most countries, they just have no choice but to respond to the headlines. They have created a monster they can’t control.

    Really, the media is the primary enemy in this whole mess. With readership and revenue falling across the industry, they see this as the final chance to get back to relevance. The thing that is preventing them from succeeding is the clickbait phenomenon, which is completely out of their control. They can’t pace the panic, they just have to keep upping it until it reaches a level where nobody believes them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    One hopes it will change their attitude about their rulers.
    Personally I hope we party like the 1920s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    One hopes it will change their attitude about their rulers.
    Oh, it will. But our only alternative then here in Germany is far left or far right. The middle fucked this up, so... it's 50/50, and none of these are better than the others. Dumbasses here all over. May you live in interesting times, or what?

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    Next door, it seems Holcomb will be lifting the mask mandate in Indiana, not immediately, but around Oct 16. Probably sees the political writing on the wall, and his head on the figurative platter. There’s some recent word-salad interview of him justifying covid policies to-date with his medic on-hand giving nodding agreement to phrases like “big BIG improvement!”. Saving face before he scraps the mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsuma View Post
    This is followup to Hurling and Rowes' conversation regarding the insurrection.

    I understand technology pretty well, so I know the NSA has had the insurrection's plan (every detail) for a long time. Is it possible Antifa is playing right into the plan devised by our Military Intelligence to counter the insurgency?

    Under what article can the President impose Military Intelligence take over investigations for the 3 letter agencies? What conditions must present itself? Rebellion? According to ncjrs.gov document entitled Martial Law in Times of Civil Disorder:
    NYPD managed to keep tabs on the Occupy movement pretty effectively and it used an open source off the shelf program that smoked out what they Occupooers plans were pretty well. It is up for some debate how effectively they responded to (or were allowed to respond to) those plans.

    As for the alphabet soup, in theory, only the FBI can conduct intel operations domestically. The brief of the CIA precludes it from domestic operations ( a sop to J. Edgar Hoover at it's inception) but the CIA has in fact conducted more than a few things on the home front. COINTELPRO under Nixon being one example. As for NSA, it doesn't seem a great leap from watching for foreign and domestic SIGINT from OCONUS players, to a more inward focus by way of the FISA courts. As for DHS and their role? A good question. Being retired now, I got no clue.

    So the question is, can we trust the FBI? I certainly wouldn't, especially after their pronouncement that the right wing was the real threat. It would be amazing if Trump did. But, he's got the other alphabets at his beck and call, and none of them like the FBI very much. So Trump could simply do what FDR was so notorious for and pit his intel agencies against each other.

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