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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Donald Trump may be the most honest man to occupy the office in generations, because he is not playing a role. Even Pence is playing a role, but Trump's strengths and flaws are clear, and he's not attempting to make you think he's something he's not. I don't always like him, he is verbally undisciplined, and he pisses people off, but he is an honest man, and all the network hairdos can lie about him in loud voices all they want. In fact, they hate that he won't play the game with them, because he's an honest man. He stands there and talks just like we do without the "fucks" and "goddamns". He's wrong sometimes, but he doesn't lie. Learn the difference between Bullshit and lying. For lies, see Kamala Harris/Nancy Pelosi/Chuck Schumer/Adam Schiff. Wiig should appreciate this about Trump, being oilfield trash, but he has apparently taken sides with Anderson Cooper.
    Here is an interesting perspective on Trump, from the Stanford historian Victor Davis Hanson, that I haven't seen or heard elsewhere: The Classicist Who Sees Donald Trump as a Tragic Hero

    The whole article is worth reading, but this particular part is relevant to discussion about Trump the man, and his appeal:


    I was trying to look at Trump in classical terms, so words like eirôneia, or irony—how could it be that the Republican Party supposedly was empathetic, but a millionaire, a billionaire Manhattanite started using terms I had never heard Romney or McCain or Paul Ryan say? He started saying “our.” Our miners. And then, on the left, every time Hillary Clinton went before a Southern audience, she started speaking in a Southern accent. And Barack Obama, I think you would agree, when he gets before an inner-city audience, he suddenly sounded as if he spoke in a black patois. When Trump went to any of these groups, he had the same tie, the same suit, the same accent. What people thought was that, whatever he is, he is authentic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Larousse View Post
    Exactly. Trump is not a real politician. He is straight up honest and sacrificed his luxurious lifestyle to his devotion of the love his country. He saw everything bad about the "swamp" and used his business savvy to become one of if not the most important President of all time.
    Yikes. Rip, you think this is satire or real? Hard to tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiigelec View Post
    Funny nobody seems to take issue with the narcissist label.
    It takes at least SOME kind of very grand view of yourself to believe you should occupy the highest office in what is probably still the world's most powerful nation.

    The most honest man in DC? LOL not that the bar is very high anyway...
    No, it is not. Which is why you pointing to TRUMP as a potential sociopath seems odd to me, when our federal government is full of people who probably check off some boxes in that category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamies33 View Post
    It seems plausible, at this point, that the covid farce was ultimately to push mail-in ballots which are easy to fraud - covid was dreamed up as an easy way to remove Trump, legitimately (sickness, or swaying voter opinion on his reactive policy) or otherwise (voter fraud).
    Yes plausible. More plausible is that they used the COVID shut down and fear to cripple the economy. This falls more under classic politics. A booming economy is the best way to get re-elected and a bad one is tough to overcome.

    In either case, and despite the organized failures to end Trumps presidency, the response to COVID was an opportunity presented, not intelligently designed.

    That the left was willing to make the poor poorer for political gain is an atrocity. That they got “lucky” maybe makes this worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMueller View Post
    Yikes. Rip, you think this is satire or real? Hard to tell.
    It's quite real. Quite a division of opinion. But take comfort in the fact that you side with the great Anderson Cooper and the amazing Keith Olbermann:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1324506114164228098

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1324509188647800832

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    From an expert on the subject, in a conservative magazine. I think it is important to note, just because one has unfavorable personality traits or a disorder, does not disqualify one from anything. Most of these issues are interpersonal and have nothing to do with how intelligent or successful one may come.

    Donald Trump and Narcissistic Personality Disorder: An Interview with Sam Vaknin

    "I have watched 600 hours of video of Trump. Here are my preliminary clinical observations:

    Trump confabulates a lot and has grandiose fantasies, which he has come to believe in, thus partially and intermittently losing touch with reality (delusionally "failing the reality test").

    Trump is hypervigilant to the point of paranoia, besieged by conjured enemies and imaginary slights to his person, appearance, or accomplishments. He reacts aggressively and vindictively to such perceived narcissistic injuries and humiliations. His is a siege mentality.

    Trump is a compulsive attention-seeker and will go to any extreme to obtain it.

    Trump is counterdependent: he abhors authority, rules, traditions, and "The Establishment" and rebels against them vociferously and ostentatiously. He is manifestly defiant and abrasive.

    Trump talks about himself in the third person ("Trump will do this") and often uses the royal "we" to refer to himself. His first person pronoun density (the number of times he uses "I," "me," and "myself" in a conversation or in interviews) is the highest I have ever heard from any politician, Obama included.

    Trump places a premium on appearances rather than on substance.

    Trump is highly somatic and hypochondriac as he emphasizes the way he dresses and refrains from damaging his shrine-like body by consuming substances like alcohol or nicotine. He is self-worshiping and painfully self-conscious.

    Trump is disproportionately aggressive, hypersensitive, and defensive, faking superiority which, in all probability is compensatory: it masks a deep and unsettling sense of inferiority and extreme awareness of and an agonizing dependence upon what other people think of him ("thin skin").

    Trump lacks empathy and clearly enjoys embarrassing and hurting other people gratuitously. Such antisocial misconduct makes him feel (and, in his mind, actually renders him) all-powerful and God-like ("omnipotent").

    Trump has an inordinately developed "cold empathy": the kind of an "x-ray vision" that allows him to immediately spot the vulnerabilities, weaknesses, and chinks in the armor of his interlocutors, adversaries, partners, and enemies and to leverage this knowledge to his benefit by penetrating their defenses. He therefore resonates powerfully and intimately with the hidden hopes, dreams, fantasies, delusions, and negative emotions (rage, hatred, fear) of his "constituencies." He is a consummate predator.

    To my mind, Trump is the most perfect example I have ever come across of a malignant and, probably, psychopathic narcissist."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_B View Post
    COVID question: Has anyone seen statistics on how reliable the 2-14 day quarantine window is? That number has been around since people on the cruise ships were afloat at sea. It was a Chinese declaration that I never saw or heard anyone question. It seems to me like there should be a little more refinement, and I’d be willing to bet it’s more like 2-4 days.

    Granted 14 days does a much better job at destroying the world.
    Anecdotally, my school has a system where guys in an infected persons "pod" (shared bathroom space) have to go on quarantine for 10 days after symptoms of the infected appear. So far we've had probably 20 guys who got exposed and were qarantined. None of them ever developed symptoms or tested positive.

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    Exactly. Trump is not a real politician. He is straight up honest and sacrificed his luxurious lifestyle to his devotion of the love his country. He saw everything bad about the "swamp" and used his business savvy to become one of if not the most important President of all time.
    I have no desire nor intention to argue or debate your position, only to observe how interesting it is that two people can have completely opposite interpretations of the same series of events.

    I'm not saying my view is opposite of yours, but I have friends and family who do, and their assessments are just as valid as yours.

    My personal opinion is he was (yes I used the past tense) not a horrible president, but not a great one either. I think Biden will be horrible, but probably not as horrible as we expect.

    Just keep an eye on this little gem, and hope the Senate will be enough to keep it at bay, otherwise we may get to test drive those three new justices:

    H.R.5717 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act of 2020 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdcoast_slope View Post
    From an expert on the subject, in a conservative magazine. I think it is important to note, just because one has unfavorable personality traits or a disorder, does not disqualify one from anything. Most of these issues are interpersonal and have nothing to do with how intelligent or successful one may come.

    Donald Trump and Narcissistic Personality Disorder: An Interview with Sam Vaknin
    This is all bullshit. But this is the most amazing bullshit of all:

    Trump is hypervigilant to the point of paranoia, besieged by conjured enemies and imaginary slights to his person, appearance, or accomplishments. He reacts aggressively and vindictively to such perceived narcissistic injuries and humiliations. His is a siege mentality.
    So this fool doesn't think the press has spent the last 5 years attacking the man 24/7/365? A siege mentality is a useful adaptation in his situation.

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    I'm not sure the US has seen the likes of anyone like Trump since Jackson was in office. Maybe Truman, although he was a product of the Kansas City dem machine, and in that sense was a complete outsider to the FDR swamp, hence barely tolerated.

    None of the three were shy about openly expressing their displeasure when provoked, either in or out of the WH.

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