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    Is the situation in Sweden actually starting to become bad, or is this media hype?

    Long a Holdout From Covid-19 Restrictions, Sweden Ends Its Pandemic Experiment - WSJ

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    I don't really care to try and read the article (it'll probably paywall me anyway) but I can certainly answer the question. It's because the counter narrative SUCKS. Could there be reasonable explanations for the many suspicious things we've seen and heard? Sure. But no one is even trying to give any. "Baseless claims" and "it was thrown out of court" are repeated over and over. Specific instances such as the video footage from Georgia were not addressed. There's no interview with the people in the video saying something like "yeah, we just let everyone else go home while a few volunteers stayed behind to count through the night". Now that could certainly be a lie, but instead no one is saying anything at all. It's just silence. The same silence you get when you catch someone red handed, they have nothing to really say for themselves, no lie that'll ever be good enough. THAT is what convinces me more than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMueller View Post
    So here is a (probably incomplete) list of everyone that is in on the conspiracy to steal the election from Trump and hand it to Biden:

    Poll workers in Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Phoenix
    Democratic and Republican election officials, governors, and secretaries of state in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada
    Appellate and supreme court judges in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada
    Government officials in Germany, Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, China
    Mainstream media (including the usual folks, of course, but also now including most of Fox News and generally everyone to the left of Newsmax)
    Social media platform executives, most notably at Twitter, Facebook, and probably YouTube
    Bill Barr, and by extension, most of the important people at the Department of Justice
    Some high level members of the military
    George Soros (of course)

    It seems as though it would be incredibly difficult to pull of an organized, clandestine plan to include these many thousands of people of all political stripes, social and political classes, financial motivations, and special interests, but that appears to have been what happened. Have I missed anyone important in this list?
    Who says they all work together? They could have easily just done what they could in their own spheres of influence to tilt things without coordinating at all. Much of the left mob thinks Trump is worse than Hitler, of course they would cheat to ensure he doesn't get in in whatever little ways they can. I don't expect you to conclude that he lost because of cheating because of that alone, but if you don't accept it as at least a possibility, you are just not thinking it through. I'd go through your little list and provide my thoughts on each one, but it's too long to waste my time doing. Suffice it to say I don't believe every single one of those listed was necessarily "involved". I think the main perpetrators are probably individuals in the post office, some poll workers in certain areas, and shot callers at Dominion. The Dominion people were probably put up to it by someone, don't know who. But it's also possible they are just fanatic liberals who believe they are using their influence justly to prevent megahitler. This is all just theory, of course. But what I do know for a FACT is that the rebuttal (or lack thereof) of the evidence thus far is absolute dogshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VNV View Post
    I don’t know. But let’s guess anyway. Bridge the difference by using the CDC number of people who died only from Covid (< 10%), then assume the Chinese govt is hiding real numbers by providing a token figure; zero would be exceptionally unrealistic.
    Yes. I’m guessing along similar lines. I’m thinking however, that establishing and understanding this (and possibly not a whole lot more) would put this topic into its proper place and we can move on.

    In other words, next time someone’s hysterical about COVID, ask them to explain (and defend) why the death rate in US is 50x higher than China, a country with 5X the population.

    I think it is really that straightforward.

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    Was this bet ever agreed upon? What are the odds for Trump now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsuma View Post
    Oh no! I wish I had known ^that^ before I bet $1,000 on Trump at 25/1 odds against him a few days ago at: Betfair Exchange | Best Odds Online, Back and Lay Betting

    Odds are now 12/1 against Trump. Care to meet me there for small $100 bet? I'm clearly a dumb guy living in a fantasy world, and you are clearly a research oriented guy who has cable tv. Easy money, Albos. Your exposure is only $1,200, but there's no way you can lose. Shall we dance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soule View Post
    Is the situation in Sweden actually starting to become bad, or is this media hype?

    Long a Holdout From Covid-19 Restrictions, Sweden Ends Its Pandemic Experiment - WSJ
    Unless proven otherwise, anything you read in the MSM is a lie, varying only by degree. According to this fear-porn, Sweden is losing people to COVID-19 (no mention of their coding practices, so let's assume they are bullshit like everywhere else) at the rate of 5.5 per million per day. With a total population of 10.3 million, about 55/day, assuming 100% accuracy is COD assignment. And it's been very low for most of the year, so 5.5 is not an average number. HOWEVER, in 2019, 88,766 people died in Sweden, for a total of 1365.93 dead per day.

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    Default Because they are complete misinterpretation of fact....

    The law basically says any mail in ballot postmarked by November 3rd will be counted but this turn out to be unfair because its soon realized that many ballots will arrive at post offices on the 3rd but all won't be processed because their the system is backlogged and has never had to do with this volume...so any organizational decisions by the post office declared that all mail–in ballots that arrive before the election is certified is a valid ballot this means that ballots would arrive the 3 rd, the 4th and the 5th..its funny that trump hurt himself by requesting audits that slowed the certification, that initiated law suits that resulted in judges insisting on thorough sweeps of centers etc,,,,that ultimaly found many more democratic ballots had he just kept
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soule View Post
    Is the situation in Sweden actually starting to become bad, or is this media hype?

    Long a Holdout From Covid-19 Restrictions, Sweden Ends Its Pandemic Experiment - WSJ
    It's bullshit. The only "restriction" is a ban on gatherings on more than 8 people. There simply is no legal avenue for the government to do anything else. There is a spike in cases, but as far as deaths go, Sweden has been among the best in the EU in November. The real issue to watch in Europe is Germany. They have imposed a lockdown in November, and their death toll has quintupled in the past couple of weeks, and they are seeing record new infections. I think the deaths will climb to 1000 per day soon and I don't see this stopping until spring. They simply went into lockdown too early, and this seems like it might be an even worse model than the Wuhan one. Of course, since nothing is going as planned, they are tightening restrictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovan Dragisic View Post
    China has started banging on your door seriously back in the summer. I doubt it has much to do with the green new deal, they were seeing how much muscle they could flex in the Pacific, and Australia proved that it couldn't go quite that far. Besides, it was the Australian government that first went with the call for investigations into the origin of Covid. This kind of thing transcends election cycles, there are heavier forces at work.
    China is a huge consumer of coal, iron ore and other commodities, Australia has done very well trading with this communist country, however when the CV-19 struck they shut the door on medical PPE destined for us, we have become dependent on their trade, I wonder if we will wake up in time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfsully View Post

    Emphasis mine. What the study does tell you, is that if you live in an area with low prevalence of covid (2%) where social distance is maintained, wearing a mask may add only a little further protection for you. That’s the conclusion of the authors, and I would agree.
    Emphasis added.

    With all due respect, this is what's so maddening.

    We are willingly submitting to the destruction of our society for "may's" and "beliefs". I'm 60+ with young adult children and grandchildren. From the beginning of this I've tried to emphasize that we need to understand the truth, not to give into fear and not to panic. The ruling class has done everything possible to prevent the first and foment the fear and panic. No one has produced a scintilla of evidence to justify the drastic measures that have been and are being taken.

    As a simple example, in July the family had some discussions about HCQ. Some were unconvinced that in the early days of this HCQ was presented in a positive manner as a possible treatment. I sent them the following email so they could look at news accounts for themselves.

    Trump made his comments on 3-19
    Try playing with this format in Google News search
    'hydroxychloroquine corona before:2020-03-26'


    At the time there was a clear delineation in the tone of news coverage based on the dates. Try this now. There are practically no search results prior to Trump's mentioning of HCQ. Google has memory holed the past. Add to this the muzzling of doctors who speak in favor of it or the spiking of research (Henry Ford study) that shows it can have positive results and it becomes obvious that we are being played. The same is true for masks. There is nothing compelling that indicates masks are helpful, especially to the point of requiring them by edict. I may not know exactly what's going on but I do know I'm being lied to by TPTB in the media, politics and medical industry.

    Our society is being destroyed by those who deign to rule us. If not for ourselves, then for our progeny we should make sure they fail. (And this doesn't even get into the massive fraud visited upon us on Nov 3.)

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