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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I would agree, except that the thing doesn't really kill anybody that the flu wouldn't kill too. Except that flu kills kids and this doesn't. But we've agreed to pretend.

    Odd thing to say considering US excess mortality rates are significantly up. Clearly it does kill people that the flu otherwise would not have killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newguyray View Post
    If I recall correctly, wasn’t Faucci one of the most ardent defenders and pushers of AZT for treating AIDS patients — despite the fact AZT was notoriously toxic and failed as a cancer treatment for this reason. Far too many AIDS patients died prematurely from being given AZT. But hey, Faucci’s a hero after all.
    I’m reading Duesberg’s Inventing the AIDS Virus; he figures prominently. Once upon a time, he seems to have not been so well regarded by some:

    An Open Letter to Dr. Anthony Fauci | The Village Voice

    There were projections of millions of people dead. Parents should not touch their children. Society should be severely curbed. Billions upon billions of dollars spent on the first political disease. Turns out, as of the publishing of that book in the late 1990s, it failed to destroy civilization. And what did curb “the spread?” Lifestyle changes among those demographics most affected, something no one wanted to say in the early 1980s.

    Quote Originally Posted by BMueller View Post
    This is rather fucking disgusting.
    Wah. Wah wah.

    He deserves no sympathy or praise, only mockery

    Get over yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satch12879 View Post
    His “recommendations” at the time were actually almost this stupid. Everything except what actually worked, because saying so was politically incorrect.

    This man knew: Kary Mullis: PCR Test Inventor Calls Dr Fauci A FRAUD!!! - YouTube
    Quote Originally Posted by newguyray View Post
    If I recall correctly, wasn’t Fauci one of the most ardent defenders and pushers of AZT for treating AIDS patients — despite the fact AZT was notoriously toxic and failed as a cancer treatment for this reason. Far too many AIDS patients died prematurely from being given AZT. But hey, Fauci’s a hero after all.
    That 2 minute video with Mullis is interesting on so many levels. The Nobel prize winner who himself who invented the PCR test saying, straight up, that his PCR tests cannot tell you when someone is sick. Yet, decades later they are being for precisely that during this age of COVID, and the public believes the charade because a nerdy, bookish caricature version of an expert on a TV screen told them to.

    His contempt and disgust for fake expert Dr. Fauci is palpable here, all those years ago. He said Fauci doesn't know anything about anything and he would say it to his face. What a shame Mullis died last year just before all this started.

    Did you notice how Mullis described Fauci as an "Administrative Type" - as opposed to a Scientific or even a Philosophical type? This completely sums up the problem we face. In this thread, we've had people wade in and parrot the lines of neo-liberal Officialdom on various topics, from social justice/racism to health hysteria, and accuse us of all sorts of unsavoury things, and we've variously dismissed them as frightened and subservient pussies, shit-sucking Statists, Marxists, etc.

    This description of the Administrative Type really hits the nail on the head. You know these people. You studied along side them, and were taught by them. You have to suffer them at the managerial positions in your corporate workplace. They talk to you through your television. They are everywhere.

    For these people their main concern is the bureaucratic application of concepts, procedures and policies that are given to them from a higher authority. They are not interested in understanding the truth or the underlying concepts of mechanisms of things.

    Their main concern is the career of managing people, managing business enterprises or government bureaucracies. It is the memorization of concepts, policies and procedures and making sure these policies and procedures are in effect - rather than actually thinking critically or creatively and creating policies.

    This is what education and the academic system in general is creating. You don't need any creative or critical thinking skills to rise to the highest levels of academia. In higher education, the most creativity they will ever ask of their students goes along the lines of "Apply this concept, we have already taught you, to a new context".

    For example: "Apply Critical Theory... find racism, sexism, homophobia... in a new context... like this literature or this piece of media" or "Apply the thinking of one philosopher to a different philosopher".

    Memorizing facts, memorizing concepts and applying them to different contexts. That's the extent to which you need critical or creative thinking in the academic system today. Academia and science is not in pursuit of truth. It's a guild.

    The people who you knew in high school or college who were objectively not very bright, or generally interested in or passionate about anything except social issues, are now the ones managing us. They learned by rote, and repetitiously drilled concepts into their brains and now unquestioningly apply these concepts to all of us at the behest of those with real power.

    The majority of people out there in professional positions - especially medical doctors - are the Administrative Type. They are not there to think critically. They memorize what the authorities have told them. Memorize what's accepted. Memorize the consensus. Then apply whatever they have memorized. They're not there to question or be critical.

    When you look at this COVID situation with the erosion our liberty, and as our societies and economies deteriorate, and you ask yourself "just how many people need to be *in* on a conspiracy like this in order to make it happen?" the answer is not very many at all. The doctors certainly aren't *in* on anything. They are there to memorize and apply.

    For a conspiracy like this, all you need is some international agencies (all of which seem to be based in fucking Switzerland - and I am sure it's just a coincidence that Switzerland has been the centre of international banking and finance throughout history...) and a very small but wealthy and influential elite, with shared interests, to forcefully nudge the direction of politicians and CEO's. Then, everyone else naturally falls into place and unquestioningly fulfils their role, all the way from the top-tier administrative and managerial levels downwards.

    Mullis also said most people cannot tell the difference between a truly creative, critical, scientifically minded person and an Administrative Type. They look for a credential, or a badge, social cues and signs and symbols of authority - and they're satisfied. If a public simply cannot even recognize bad actors, how could a status-quo-threatening political alternative ever be possible through democratic means? It could never come from Whitehall or the Oval Office or the system itself. Trump wasn't it, and neither was something like the Brexit referendum. At best, these things can be seen as throwing dog shit through the open window of the elite's passing limousine. We can gain a little bit of pleasure in watching them scramble to deal with the mess and minor inconvenience, but that's about the extent of it and they roll onwards basically uninterrupted.

    I read something about the US money supply. 21% of the total of all US dollars were created in 2020. I'm no economist but it doesn't sound like this can go on forever without something very painful occurring at some point, even if they do have a new central bank digital currency up their sleeve to transition over to. Is this going to be the rude awakening we need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMueller View Post
    This is rather fucking disgusting.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwaargh View Post
    It's all very basic principles of capitalism, which they should have taught you in school. America doesn't have the rest of the world to bail it out anymore, so it has to eventually turn on itself. Welcome to the new world order).
    I'm afraid you've been misled about the basic principles of capitalism. Capitalism doesn't involve a State. Which school did you go to? And can you elucidate on all these American bailouts?

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    Because not everyone is literate in this stuff. And especially now, there's too much information... It is easy to be misled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jovan Dragisic View Post
    The thing that baffles me is, why do we still even need to explain things like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilead View Post
    49-year-old struck with anaphylactic shock after receiving COVID vaccine - The Jerusalem Post

    In general I am not anti vax. I just want to wait to see more data from this current stage 4 clinical trial. Plus, I normally don't take the flu shot so why should I be coerced into taking this shot especially since I am not in the high risk category.
    I just feel many actions governments took to suppress this virus using the china model (and yes there were other models they could of used) was wrong, especially on the level of human rights and dignity. So why the heck should I run at their whim to be a test subject in their current social experiment.
    I declined the free shot from my new job. They asked what my excuse was. I told them it was simple math: that for my age, level of physical capability, and complete absence of comorbidities the shot posed a greater risk to my health and was unnecessary. They didn't have a problem with it.

    As someone whose brain was wired for dot connecting... it has been a rough year. It's also why I think people have been so consumed by false dichotomies.

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    A letter to the ACM, a professional organization for computer scientists, by respected professors. This immediately follows some cancel-drama involving Pedro Domingos.

    Dear CACM Editor,

    We are a group of researchers, industry experts, academics, and educators, writing with sadness and alarm about the increasing use of repressive actions aimed at limiting the free and unfettered conduct of scientific research and debate. Such actions have included calls for academic boycotts, attempts to get people fired, inviting mob attacks against ‘offending’ individuals, and the like. We support discussion of policies aimed at a more diverse and inclusive society; a range of opinions is natural. We condemn all attempts to coerce scientific activities into supporting or opposing specific social-political beliefs, values, and attitudes, including attempts at preventing researchers from exploring questions of their choice, or at restricting the free discussion and debate of issues related to scientific research.

    Such actions are antithetical to the very nature of scientific inquiry, which often advances most through the pursuit of that which others believe to be implausible, banal, or wrong-headed. Debate must be free of prior restraint, and the use of public shaming or similar tactics to restrict the scope of scientific research and discussion is regressive and contrary to the values expressed in the ACM Code of Ethics. Such actions are particularly odious when directed toward junior colleagues and students, who are especially vulnerable.

    We urge the community to reaffirm their core principles that:
    Scientific work should be judged on the basis of scientific merit, independent of the researcher's identity or personal views,
    Discussion and debate in the scientific community must be free of prior restraint as to topic or viewpoint, and
    No individual should suffer harassment or attack based on their personal or political views, religion, nationality, race, gender, or sexual orientation.

    Scientific discourse should be based on mutual respect, use of civil language, and professional conduct. Indeed, all disagreements in the scientific community, however heated or fraught, should be addressed through argument and persuasion and not through personal attacks or by coercively shutting down those with dissenting points of view.

    In short, challenging and debating ideas is always acceptable and ought to be encouraged. Marginalizing, intimidating, or attacking the holders of those ideas is not.

    If you are an established researcher, educator, or professional in computing or an adjacent field and would like to add your name to the signatories of this open letter, please fill out this form (or email karyeh@cs.bgu.ac.il and lreyzin@uic.edu). Note that signatories will be vetted before being added.

    Initial Signatories


    Scott Aaronson
    David J. Bruton Centennial Professor
    Department of Computer Science
    University of Texas at Austin

    Ezio Biglieri
    Honorary Professor
    Department of Information and Communication Technologies
    Universitat Pompeu Fabra

    Pamela Cosman
    Distinguished Professor
    Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    University of California, San Diego

    Harry Crane
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    Department of Statistics
    Rutgers University
    Co-Founder, Researchers.One

    Pedro Domingos
    Professor Emeritus
    Paul G. Allen School of Computer Science & Engineering
    University of Washington

    Shlomo Dubnov
    Professor
    Department of Music and Department of Computer Science and Engineering
    University of California, San Diego

    Anthony Ephremides
    Distinguished University Professor and Cynthia Kim Eminent Professorship Chair
    Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    University of Maryland College Park

    Georgios B. Giannakis
    Professor and Endowed Chair
    Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    University of Minnesota

    Aryeh Kontorovich
    Professor
    Department of Computer Science
    Ben-Gurion University

    Marius Leordeanu
    Associate Professor
    Department of Computer Science
    Polytechnic University of Bucharest

    Shachar Lovett
    Associate Professor
    Department of Computer Science and Engineering
    University of California, San Diego

    Ryan Martin
    Professor
    Department of Statistics
    North Carolina State University
    Co-Founder, Researchers.One

    James E. Moore, II
    Professor
    Department of Industrial and Systems Engineering
    University of Southern California

    Alex Olshevsky
    Associate Professor
    Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    Boston University

    Judea Pearl
    Chancellor’s Professor Emeritus
    Department of Computer Science
    University of California, Los Angeles

    Keshav Pingali
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    Department of Computer Science
    The University of Texas at Austin

    Lev Reyzin
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    Department of Mathematics, Statistics, and Computer Science
    University of Illinois at Chicago

    Ilya Safro
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    Department of Computer and Information Sciences
    University of Delaware

    Niculae Sebe
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    Department of Information Engineering and Computer Science
    University of Trento

    Ari Trachtenberg
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    Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    Boston University

    Pavan Turaga
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    School of Arts, Media and Engineering
    Arizona State University

    Etienne Vouga
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    Department of Computer Science
    University of Texas at Austin

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    Quote Originally Posted by therorschach View Post
    This isn't a new policy.
    Fuck off.

    Quote Originally Posted by markus1 View Post
    Odd thing to say considering US excess mortality rates are significantly up. Clearly it does kill people that the flu otherwise would not have killed.
    They are not up significantly over the 20-year average excess mortality numbers. And if they were, how much excess death justifies the destruction of the economy of the world, the remaking of civil society, and the excess death associated with these effects? Really, tell us how much COVID death justifies all this other death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Jackson View Post
    That 2 minute video with Mullis is interesting on so many levels. The Nobel prize winner who himself who invented the PCR test saying, straight up, that his PCR tests cannot tell you when someone is sick. Yet, decades later they are being for precisely that during this age of COVID, and the public believes the charade because a nerdy, bookish caricature version of an expert on a TV screen told them to.

    His contempt and disgust for fake expert Dr. Fauci is palpable here, all those years ago. He said Fauci doesn't know anything about anything and he would say it to his face. What a shame Mullis died last year just before all this started.

    Did you notice how Mullis described Fauci as an "Administrative Type" - as opposed to a Scientific or even a Philosophical type? This completely sums up the problem we face. In this thread, we've had people wade in and parrot the lines of neo-liberal Officialdom on various topics, from social justice/racism to health hysteria, and accuse us of all sorts of unsavoury things, and we've variously dismissed them as frightened and subservient pussies, shit-sucking Statists, Marxists, etc.

    This description of the Administrative Type really hits the nail on the head. You know these people. You studied along side them, and were taught by them. You have to suffer them at the managerial positions in your corporate workplace. They talk to you through your television. They are everywhere.

    For these people their main concern is the bureaucratic application of concepts, procedures and policies that are given to them from a higher authority. They are not interested in understanding the truth or the underlying concepts of mechanisms of things.

    Their main concern is the career of managing people, managing business enterprises or government bureaucracies. It is the memorization of concepts, policies and procedures and making sure these policies and procedures are in effect - rather than actually thinking critically or creatively and creating policies.

    This is what education and the academic system in general is creating. You don't need any creative or critical thinking skills to rise to the highest levels of academia. In higher education, the most creativity they will ever ask of their students goes along the lines of "Apply this concept, we have already taught you, to a new context".

    For example: "Apply Critical Theory... find racism, sexism, homophobia... in a new context... like this literature or this piece of media" or "Apply the thinking of one philosopher to a different philosopher".

    Memorizing facts, memorizing concepts and applying them to different contexts. That's the extent to which you need critical or creative thinking in the academic system today. Academia and science is not in pursuit of truth. It's a guild.

    The people who you knew in high school or college who were objectively not very bright, or generally interested in or passionate about anything except social issues, are now the ones managing us. They learned by rote, and repetitiously drilled concepts into their brains and now unquestioningly apply these concepts to all of us at the behest of those with real power.

    The majority of people out there in professional positions - especially medical doctors - are the Administrative Type. They are not there to think critically. They memorize what the authorities have told them. Memorize what's accepted. Memorize the consensus. Then apply whatever they have memorized. They're not there to question or be critical.

    When you look at this COVID situation with the erosion our liberty, and as our societies and economies deteriorate, and you ask yourself "just how many people need to be *in* on a conspiracy like this in order to make it happen?" the answer is not very many at all. The doctors certainly aren't *in* on anything. They are there to memorize and apply.

    For a conspiracy like this, all you need is some international agencies (all of which seem to be based in fucking Switzerland - and I am sure it's just a coincidence that Switzerland has been the centre of international banking and finance throughout history...) and a very small but wealthy and influential elite, with shared interests, to forcefully nudge the direction of politicians and CEO's. Then, everyone else naturally falls into place and unquestioningly fulfils their role, all the way from the top-tier administrative and managerial levels downwards.

    Mullis also said most people cannot tell the difference between a truly creative, critical, scientifically minded person and an Administrative Type. They look for a credential, or a badge, social cues and signs and symbols of authority - and they're satisfied. If a public simply cannot even recognize bad actors, how could a status-quo-threatening political alternative ever be possible through democratic means? It could never come from Whitehall or the Oval Office or the system itself. Trump wasn't it, and neither was something like the Brexit referendum. At best, these things can be seen as throwing dog shit through the open window of the elite's passing limousine. We can gain a little bit of pleasure in watching them scramble to deal with the mess and minor inconvenience, but that's about the extent of it and they roll onwards basically uninterrupted.

    I read something about the US money supply. 21% of the total of all US dollars were created in 2020. I'm no economist but it doesn't sound like this can go on forever without something very painful occurring at some point, even if they do have a new central bank digital currency up their sleeve to transition over to. Is this going to be the rude awakening we need?
    Your most important post so far. Very insightful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald Boggs View Post
    Why?
    Because he interprets it as an accusation that Fauci is gay, and I guess he thinks being gay is disgusting. Homophobes are found in the oddest places.

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