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    Some interesting updates:

    Facts about Covid-19 – Swiss Propaganda Research

    Some interesting clips from the writing:

    "Other experts in Europe and the USA have expressed their opinion on the treatment of critical Covid19 patients and strongly advise against invasive ventilation (intubation). Covid19 patients do not suffer from acute respiratory failure (ARDS), but from oxygen deficiency, possibly caused by an oxygen diffusion problem triggered by the virus or the immune response to it."

    "According to data from the best-studied countries such as South Korea, Iceland, Germany and Denmark, the overall lethality of Covid19 is between 0.1% and 0.4% and thus up to twenty times lower than initially assumed by the WHO."

    "50% to 80% of test-positive individuals remain symptom-free. Even among the 70 to 79 year old persons about 60% remain symptom-free, many more show only mild symptoms."

    "Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 have proven to be false upon closer inspection. Many of these people either did not die from Covid19 or they in fact had serious preconditions (such as undiagnosed leukaemia)."

    "Strongly increased death rates, as in northern Italy, can be influenced by additional risk factors such as very high air pollution and microbial contamination as well as a collapse in the care of the elderly and sick due to mass panic and lockdown measures."

    "The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, since the number of tests also increases exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to total tests either remains constant between 5% to 25% or increases rather slowly."

    - Pointed out my thoughts on this in a previous post, buried somewhere in here that I dont want to look for. I said something to the effect of "What if the amount of sick people is "going up" due to the fact that we are testing more and more?"

    "Countries without lockdowns and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea and Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. This might call into question the effectiveness of such far-reaching measures"

    "According to leading lung specialists, invasive ventilation of Covid19 patients is often counterproductive and causes additional damage to the lungs. The invasive ventilation of Covid19 patients is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus through aerosols."

    "Several media have been caught trying to dramatize the situation in clinics, sometimes even with manipulative pictures and videos. In general, many media outlets do not question even doubtful official statements and figures." - Shocker

    "The number of people suffering from unemployment, psychological problems and domestic violence as a result of the measures taken has exploded in the US and worldwide. Several experts believe that the measures may claim more lives than the virus itself."


    What a colossal cluster Fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Venezuela, China, Hungary, North Korea, and New York get close enough, Noah.
    Virginia is trending nicely as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jklymus View Post
    Some interesting updates:

    Facts about Covid-19 – Swiss Propaganda Research

    Some interesting clips from the writing:
    . . .
    Also from there:
    ...The renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures”. ...

    and from within Dr. Goldshmidt's article:
    ... However, this is not a matter of bad will, but of incompetence. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Rowe View Post
    Rip, his problem is not that he's an idiot. He's above average intelligence, and in that very specific bracket that makes his ego implacable. He has to be right. He has to know better, or his insecurities about his intelligence would niggle at him.
    Assuming this is directed at lazygun, I think you're off the mark with this assessment. I haven't had the time/energy to follow the dispute he's involved with here, so I can't tell who is "right" and who is "wrong", but he doesn't strike me as someone unwilling to admit he's wrong.

    It can appear that the person you're engaging with is doing so in bad faith. But in my experience, the more likely explanation is a genuine misunderstanding.

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    Bruno, not lazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jklymus View Post
    More from this site:

    A new serological study by Stanford University found antibodies in 50 to 85 times more people than previously thought in Santa Clara County, California, resulting in a Covid-19 lethality of 0.12% to 0.2% or even lower (i.e. in the range of severe influenza). Professor John Ioannidis explains the study in a new video.

    In a new analysis, the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (CEBM) at the University of Oxford argues that the lethality of covid19 (IFR) is between 0.1% and 0.36% (i.e. in the range of a severe influenza). In people over 70 years of age with no serious preconditions, the mortality rate is expected to be less than 1%. For people over 80 years of age, the mortality rate is between 3% and 15%, depending on whether deaths so far were mainly with or from by the disease. In contrast to influenza, child mortality is close to zero. With regard to the high mortality rate in Northern Italy, the research group points out that Italy has the highest antibiotic resistance in Europe. In fact, data from the Italian authorities show that around 80% of the deceased were treated with antibiotics, indicating bacterial superinfections.

    The Finnish epidemiology professor Mikko Paunio from the University of Helsinki has evaluated several international studies in a working paper and comes to a Covid19 lethality (IFR) of 0.1% or less (i.e. in the area of seasonal influenza). According to Paunio, the impression of a higher lethality was created because the virus spread very quickly, especially in multi-generation households in Italy and Spain, but also in cities like New York. The „lockdown“ measures had come too late and had not been effective.

    UK: London’s temporary Nightingale hospital has remained largely empty, with just 19 patients being treated at the facility over the Easter weekend. London’s established hospitals have doubled their ICU capacity, and are so far coping with surge.

    In Canada, 31 people died in a nursing home after „almost all nursing staff had left the facility in a hurry for fear of the corona virus spreading. Health authorities found the people in the home in Dorval near Montreal only days later – many of the survivors were dehydrated, malnourished and apathetic.“ Similar tragedies were already reported from northern Italy, where Eastern European nurses left the country in a hurry when panic broke out and lockdown measures were announced.

    A Scottish doctor who also looks after nursing homes writes: „What was the government strategy for nursing homes? The actions taken so far have made the situation much, much worse.“

    In Switzerland, despite Covid19, total mortality in the first quarter of 2020 (until 5th April) was in the medium normal range. One reason for this could be the mild flu season due to the mild winter, which has now been partially „offset“ by Covid19.

    According to a report from April 14, Swiss hospitals and even intensive care units continue to be very under-utilized. This again raises the question of where and how exactly the test-positive deaths (average age 84) in Switzerland actually occur.

    The President of the German Hospital Association has sounded the alarm: more than 50 percent of all planned operations throughout Germany have been cancelled, and the „operations backlog“ is running into thousands. In addition, 30 to 40% fewer patients with heart attacks and strokes are treated because they no longer dare to go to the hospitals for fear of corona. There were 150,000 free hospital beds and 10,000 free intensive care beds nationwide. In Berlin, only 68 intensive care beds are occupied by corona patients, the emergency clinic with 1000 beds is currently not in use.

    New data of German authorities show that in Germany, too, the reproduction rate of Covid19 had already fallen below the critical value of 1 before the lockdown. General hygiene measures were therefore sufficient to prevent the exponential spread. This had already been shown by the ETH Zurich for Switzerland as well.

    On a French aircraft carrier 1081 soldiers tested positive. So far, almost 50% of them remained symptom-free and about 50% showed mild symptoms. 24 soldiers were hospitalized, one of them is in intensive care (previous illnesses unknown).

    Leading German virologist Christian Drosten thinks it is possible that some people have already built up an effective so-called background immunity against the new corona virus through contact with normal common cold corona viruses.

    Klaus Püschsel, a forensic doctor from Hamburg who has already examined numerous test positive deceased, explains in a new article: „The numbers do not justify the fear of corona“. His findings: „Corona is a relatively harmless viral disease. We have to deal with the fact that Corona is a normal infection and we have to learn to live with it without quarantine“. The fatalities he examined would all have had such serious pre-existing conditions that, „even if that sounds harsh, they would all have died in the course of this year. Püschel adds: „The time of the virologists is over. We should now ask others what is the right thing to do in the corona crisis, for example the intensive care doctors.“

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Venezuela, China, Hungary, North Korea, and New York get close enough, Noah.
    Ha. Fair point.

    But, to be sure, Venezuela is a failed state at this point which is the antithesis of a communist (strong) state; China is about as communist as Vietnam (still the same Government we lost the war to, btw), which is to say, in name only; North Korea is the opposite extreme, in that its the same sort of "socialism" that Nazism was; and Hungary is basically Scandinavia without elections--democratic socialism sure--but Communism? Ehhhh.... Let's not forget that Soros is Hungarian and the richest capitalists in the world don't live in Communist countries. Hungary also has the highest GDP in all of Eastern Europe, so, nah--that one is not like the others. Plus, Budapest is the most pro-American city that side of the iron curtain. Their passion for America rivals that of Holland. It would be my first choice of places to live outside of the United States.

    New York, however.... Absolutley no argument there. I'd rather live in Pyongyang, where at least I could afford an apartment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Berry View Post
    Here's a thought:

    ASYMPTOMATIC means you are NOT sick. This does not mean you are a "Typhoid Mary".

    This tells me that the shit data is not just SHIT, but completely and utterly useless. It throws all the ratios off so far....just ugh. So frustrated.

    Seems that the VAST majority may not show symptoms. At all. (I think there was a German study that showed something similar.)

    So, why are we shuttered?

    Incidentally, those NOT sick people were taken away to isolation facilities. See why I won't let my family or myself get tested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunoLawerence View Post
    You might want to reread the history of "typhoid Mary". She was an asymptomatic carrier (not sick) who refused to participate in testing, causing many infections/deaths. Given that covid is easily transmissible by asymptomatic individuals, you are advocating for there to be hundreds if not thousands of potential typhoid mary's spread across the country. What happens when the next typhoid mary comes into contact with your family and your family becomes sick?
    I think the misunderstanding here is that Sean used Typhoid Mary as a disanalogy to [asymptomatic covid carriers who don't follow strict physical distancing rules] in that the former was unequivocally a bad actor - a downright asshole of a human (I suppose she may have suffered from a mental health issue other than being an asshole - I have only read the wiki), while asymptomatic covid carriers who continue about their daily business are at best, skeptical of what they've been told.

    Bruno, on the other hand, was focusing on the outcome of the behaviour, rather than the intentionality involved.

    An understandable misunderstanding, given that the term is apparently also used when the behaviour is unintentional:

    Today, "Typhoid Mary" is a colloquial term for anyone who, knowingly or not, spreads disease or some other undesirable thing.

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