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    Quote Originally Posted by Railbob1776 View Post
    Yea, but look at all the qualifying language:


    Basically, nobody knows anything.
    But they issued orders anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderFun View Post
    Curious to see what the counter-argument to this is.
    Shiva will be along with it shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    But they issued orders anyway.
    Yes, just shows that the lockdown was imposed based on nothing but mere speculation as far as the science goes.

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    Even more important: https://twitter.com/AnthonySabatini/...49799319851010

    Of course these morons have no authority to tell us to close, neither legal or moral. This country is supposed to run by the Rule of Law, not by the Rule of Mayor, or County Judge, or Governor. None of these assholes is enforcing laws -- they are issuing orders which have no basis in law, and which will not hold up in court. Unless they dissolve the courts too. Look for Michigan to try this first. Furthermore, every mayor, county official, and governor who issued these bullshit orders must be forced to resign; un-reelected isn't good enough. Up against the wall would actually be better -- sends a better message.

    Monday is shaping up to be a big news day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Even more important: https://twitter.com/AnthonySabatini/...49799319851010

    Of course these morons have no authority to tell us to close, neither legal or moral. This country is supposed to run by the Rule of Law, not by the Rule of Mayor, or County Judge, or Governor. None of these assholes is enforcing laws -- they are issuing orders which have no basis in law, and which will not hold up in court. Unless they dissolve the courts too. Look for Michigan to try this first. Furthermore, every mayor, county official, and governor who issued these bullshit orders must be forced to resign; un-reelected isn't good enough. Up against the wall would actually be better -- sends a better message.

    Monday is shaping up to be a big news day.
    Iím not a small business owner so I donít know what sort of funds owners have set aside to fight things legally. I suspect that people dying to open back up donít have funds set aside. So, barring a quid pro quo lawyer, municipalities will just keep levying charges that are bullshit. If you canít afford to fight it in court, you lose.

    Thatís what they do to the general public who canít pay anyway. They levy more fines and when they canít pay the fine, they throw them in jail. Then they bring you in front of a judge and the judge says, ďWhereís my money?Ē The defendant says he canít pay because heís been in jail for not being able to pay. So the judge gives him 30 more days. I had an acquaintance who spent 8 months in jail in Mississippi because of this. The initial crime? Expired tags.

    I suspect a similar schtick to generate revenue by many municipalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Railbob1776 View Post
    Yes, just shows that the lockdown was imposed based on nothing but mere speculation as far as the science goes.
    It was based on fear. People were scared shitless of the virus that China didn't want to talk about and was apparently going apeshit over. That's why it worried me back in December of January when I was following it. But when it came here and we started to get some better information and that time has passed, well, I find myself not really concerned. And I still think the harsh cough I got toward the end of last year may have in fact been this bug. My brother's getting results from an antibody test soon, I don't know if he even caught the thing me and my parents had but it should be interesting to see.

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    And the trend in NYC continues: COVID-19: Data - NYC Health

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFinAK View Post
    CDC cut the official COVID deaths nearly in half.....went from 60+K to a little over 37K. Isn't that interesting?
    Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19):
    The 37K is for covid deaths where the patient did not also have pneumonia. Covid+pneumonia deaths add another 16K (a few columns over). One of the ways covid kills you is by opening you up to pneumonia. I think that covid+pneumonia deaths are fair to call covid deaths. Now if you had covid+cerebral hemorrage or something else, maybe not.

    In any case, there is no "cutting nearly in half" being done by CDC. You may disagree with their counting methods, but the tally hasn't changed dramatically. As we have been over many times, death and disease case reporting is a messy process, and each local health department has their own schedule, so there is a lag and some revision necessary by CDC. At some point down the road, you can be sure many people will pore over the data to tighten up criteria for a "covid death" and the numbers will shift a bit. In the mean time, they're working with the data they have.

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    From that table, COVID + COVID and pneumonia amount to 7.488% of Deaths from All Causes. It takes an interesting assessment of the importance of living a normal life the way you choose to live it weighed against a life spent in hiding to avoid a 7.5% chance that if you die it won't be from COVID-19. But the virus is a moot point now. We're more concerned with the fate of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfsully View Post
    The 37K is for covid deaths where the patient did not also have pneumonia. Covid+pneumonia deaths add another 16K (a few columns over). One of the ways covid kills you is by opening you up to pneumonia. I think that covid+pneumonia deaths are fair to call covid deaths. Now if you had covid+cerebral hemorrage or something else, maybe not.

    In any case, there is no "cutting nearly in half" being done by CDC. You may disagree with their counting methods, but the tally hasn't changed dramatically. As we have been over many times, death and disease case reporting is a messy process, and each local health department has their own schedule, so there is a lag and some revision necessary by CDC. At some point down the road, you can be sure many people will pore over the data to tighten up criteria for a "covid death" and the numbers will shift a bit. In the mean time, they're working with the data they have.
    About those numbers again

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltomo View Post
    The federal government essentially has three options:

    1. Remove the states' lockdown abilities. This would be another defeat for the federal system, but it would at least give the country a fighting chance.

    2. Print money. We all know where that leads. If you think Trump is literally Hitler, watch out kids, you ain't seen nothing yet.

    3. Do nothing. Force the states to take responsibility for what they've wrought. This is the best decision the federal government could make. Some major cities will collapse, there will be riots, thousands and thousands will lose out on pensions, etc, but maybe, just maybe, people will figure out how money works.

    Covid wasn't planned, but something had to push things over the edge. The current state of affairs is the natural conclusion to unsustainable fiscal policy decisions stretching back until at least the first World War.

    When this thing first hit, I panicked at the shut-downs. Then I settled down because I thought, "Surely people will realize this is insane. They'll open things up in two weeks and realize what a horrible mistake they've made."

    Nope. We are in this for the long haul. The powers that be are going to run this thing out until at least the November elections, probably into next year as well. This is what a cold civil war looks like.
    Itís even worse over here in Blighty. The useful idiots are clapping on their prison doorsteps for socialism every Thursday night at 8pm prompt. Ironically it was the failure of the socialised healthcare system which lead to their incarceration because it required ďsavingĒ. Now we have all kinds of cockroaches coming out of the woodwork telling us that we need a brave new world of full on socialism. I can only hope you lot show some back bone, or we are fucked.

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