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    Quote Originally Posted by darrowdisciple View Post
    The knee on the neck proves intent to kill because the neck is an area of the body everyone knows contains vital structures, and that pressure on it can kill a person, particularly a person who’s saying they can’t breathe. The fact he could summon enough breath to utter those words means he was saying “I can’t breathe normally,” disproving the ridiculous idea he was somehow “faking” his inability to breathe.
    Apparently, Darrow in your name means jack shit.

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    Some very good posts today. Some excellent ideas. Thank you all.

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    And what could go better with Marxism than some existentialism?

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    The most humbling thing about all of this is that we are all as likely to be the tyrant or mob as the poor bastard beaten to death on the street. Almost none of us are heroes.

    So let's pay fucking attention, yeah? I'm tired of worrying about the problems. Let's find some solutions -- so long as we keep the 5 rules in mind.

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    That one's a bit lengthy, Dave. If I get time later, maybe. Give us the 5 rules.

    Look at this: LA Mayor Slashes LAPD Budget As Calls To ‘Defund Police’ Slowly Pick Up Steam

    Minneapolis City Council members consider disbanding the police | City Pages

    How exactly does this work? It's like Escape From New York was a model for these morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Jackson View Post
    The corporate media's coverage of the destruction, whether biased towards the conservative right or the progressive left, has blamed white "Antifa" political activists, or bizarrely "white supremacists", as guilty of instigating and perpetuating the robbery and violence during the otherwise "peaceful protests". They do not want to touch upon the idea that the violence being perpetrated by black people is motivated by any sort of racial and political ideology of their own, and the right cannot admit these people have their own agency, or group interests, either.

    The left tells us they can explain away the disparities between the races within the prism of its Marxist "victim" and "oppressor" narrative. They tell us the black people are simply the victims of systemic racism, and all of the European traditions, values and ideals responsible for the creation of America are, in fact, just an expression of white supremacy. Therefore, on these grounds, the riots are ethically justified. The conservative right has been powerless to counter this idea because of its own liberal framework.

    Within a liberal, egalitarian society, the left is free to forcefully make their subversive Marxist arguments and pursue its own agenda guilt-free. Meanwhile, the right is forced to back itself into a corner, sit on its hands, and repeat, ad nauseum, that biological, racial differences simply do not meaningfully exist in a liberal, egalitarian society, like America, therefore they have "won" the logical argument by being more rational.

    America isn't currently on fire because of Marxism, or Antifa, or the left, but it is on fire because America's own liberal ontology is based on the lie of egalitarianism. Biological reality is visiting us. America does not know how to deal with this lie within the liberal paradigm. Whatever harsh methods the state should implement to restore law and order and to prevent its own cities from burning to the ground are strictly off-limits because they would be inherently illiberal. For decades, the left has enjoyed the freedom to paint the black, downtrodden protesters as oppressed victims, therefore, to act illiberally now against these people, to preserve the country, would break the very idea of "America".

    When I want to present my political views, I am constantly required to enter into a difficult dialogue about the holy trinity of ultimate European (read: white) evil: the holocaust, colonialism and slavery. This white guilt, they regularly remind me, can never be cleansed from my soul. Even if I try to atone by complying with the latest humiliating act du jour - such as the trending #takeaknee gesture. Even if I actively work against my own ethnic group's interests and start welcoming migrants at the border. Even if I publicly reject and denounce my own national identity.

    Ultimately, in a liberal society, I will never be allowed to advocate for my own group interests. This is because if the liberal system was forced to admit that racial differences actually existed in the first place, and in the real world different ethnic groups naturally pursue their own ethnic group interests as an evolutionary strategy, then their whole ideological superstructure comes crumbling down.

    Does the conservative right's obsession with upholding values of "liberal democracy" and egalitarianism, seemingly above all else, make a country more open to subversion? Can a political party counter the left's ideas, or conserve anything at all, under a framework of liberal egalitarianism? At this point it seems impossible to view America as anything other than a cautionary tale.
    Not only is this racist, it demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Marxism, liberalism, democracy, America, and basic humanity. Did you REALLY say there are "racial differences" and "ethnic groups naturally pursue their own ethnic interests?

    Rip - you okay with this?

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    [QUOTE=Matt James;1775170]Apparently darrow is an attorney in addition to an infectious disease specialist.

    The charges, as amended, specifically obviate intent as a factor: Second Degree Murder - Unintentional - While Committing A Felony(assault, in this case). He's still being charged with Third Degree Murder - Perpetrating Eminently Dangerous Act and Evincing Depraved Mind, and Second Degree Manslaughter - Culpable Negligence Creating Unreasonable Risk as well.

    (I hope I'm doing the quotation thing correctly here.) In distinguishing between motive, which need not be proven, and intent, I was responding to what appeared to be a misunderstanding. Legally, there are "general" intent, and "specific" intent. Re; Chauvin, the prosecution need not prove specific intent -- that Chauvin intended Floyd to die. But they will prove general intent - that Chauvin intended to commit the act of compressing Floyd's neck with his knee. Because Chauvin knew, or should have known, that serious bodily injury and death can result from neck compression of of the kind Chauvin did, Chauvin is legally responsible for the consequences of that action, unless he can put forward a justification such as self-defense, reasonable use of force in making the arrest, or some other explanation.

    Chauvin bears no technical burden of proof, but he will be hard-pressed to have his defense explain why, knowing Floyd had no pulse at the wrist, was becoming motionless and silent, and clearly not resisting, Chauvin continued to compress Floyd's neck for almost three more minutes. (Put aside what duty he may have had actually to render assistance.) The more difficult issue for the prosecution will be causation, since the ME reports leave room for the defense to run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    That one's a bit lengthy, Dave. If I get time later, maybe. Give us the 5 rules.

    Look at this: LA Mayor Slashes LAPD Budget As Calls To ‘Defund Police’ Slowly Pick Up Steam

    How exactly does this work? It's like Escape From New York was a model for these morons.
    I was talking about Ray's Rules. I love them. They're tremendously important.

    As for New York, Minneapolis, Los Angeles... who are we to assume that we can even stop it? Or that we SHOULD? Maybe the only way forward is to let the cities burn to the ground. Maybe people will stop posting on Facebook about "iF yOu CaRe MoRe AbOuT pRoPeRtY!!!" and take note of what wealth really is, how it is created, and what it means to destroy it. And for the 80% of Americans in the middle who have ignored their civic and personal duties to think, speak, vote and act... we're entirely at their mercy. Not Antifa. Not Donald Trump. Will Americans seize the ground of moral truth and self-sovereignty that they have ceded in their inaction, or will this finally be enough for them to reclaim it?

    There is no difference between COVID-19 and the rioting. We are headed for a reckoning, and as we can observe throughout history... it's here and moving faster than we can even imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_B View Post
    If Chauvin sat on his neck and then shot him in the back of the head, then that would be in violation of the department policies (and he'd still probably walk because cops almost always walk), but at least intent would be easier to place in the narrative of second-degree murder.
    Assume Chauvin's lawyer can argue that, at least initially, Chauvin was justified in compressing Floyd's neck with his knee. Where that seems to evaporate is when Chauvin is told by another officer that Floyd has no pulse at the wrist, and Chauvin can see that Floyd is motionless and is silent, and Chauvin continues to compress Floyd's neck with his knee. One is hard-pressed to imagine an innocent explanation for that action on Chauvin's part. Legally, you are responsible for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of your actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nockian View Post
    The Government education system on its own is responsible for most of it. They keep recycling bad ideas, inculcating children with the idea that they are victims, that reason is hopeless, that they should stop thinking and emote. The pupils become the teachers and the whole thing keeps rolling along like a passenger liner headed for an iceberg. Someone always thinks there is a guy at the wheelhouse and a lookout in charge of spotting danger, but in reality it’s not being steered at all. Only when the passengers find themselves facing drowning in icy water do they begin fighting over the life boats. They no longer know if it’s the best thing to do, only that it’s some thing to do and with reason having vacated their minds, it comes down to clubs and fists.
    I agree. I don't buy into the idea that there's some grand conspiracy or a small cabal pulling levers. The present situation is just years of bad policy and poor governance coming to a head. At this point I think the only thing that's going to turn things around is some sort of major disaster. I'm starting to have a lot more respect for the doomsday prepper people. Stocking up on ammo and non-perishable food is probably a pretty good plan of action at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    That one's a bit lengthy, Dave. If I get time later, maybe. Give us the 5 rules.

    Look at this: LA Mayor Slashes LAPD Budget As Calls To ‘Defund Police’ Slowly Pick Up Steam

    How exactly does this work? It's like Escape From New York was a model for these morons.
    This is hilarious. Even with a police force, the looters managed to burn down buildings and empty out a Target. Hopefully everyone with half a brain gets out of these cities as soon as they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muntz View Post
    Not only is this racist, it demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Marxism, liberalism, democracy, America, and basic humanity. Did you REALLY say there are "racial differences" and "ethnic groups naturally pursue their own ethnic interests?

    Rip - you okay with this?
    I approved it, right? Muntz, you lack the intelligence to understand either racism or the substance of this post. And you have insulted the intelligence of this board and wasted its patience for the last time.

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