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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    George, what do you think will happen when the feds come in, clean up the place, and then leave? Or do they stay? A Federal Occupation Force in Seattle/Minneapolis/Chicago/LA/Brooklyn? This ain't gonna work like you think it will.
    Never mind that not a single syllable, let alone a single word, in the Constitution remotely would authorize such a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrowdisciple View Post
    Swing ... and a miss! What I think you are trying to say is the more you test, the more "known" cases you will have, tautology, and exactly what a sensible government would want. As to COVID, the only effective approach is to test as many as people as possible, isolate the positive results until you believe they are no longer infectious, and treat those who display symptoms. Or, you could do what has been done at the national level, which is essentially nothing, cross your fingers, and hope not to die.

    Quote Originally Posted by darrowdisciple View Post
    Never mind that not a single syllable, let alone a single word, in the Constitution remotely would authorize such a thing.
    You simple bastard. You want national action for the COVID farce, but no national action for riots. It took you about 1 minute to contradict yourself. My god, son, you are just barely capable of speech. Back to deletion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJPinAZ View Post
    Yesterday I came across this article from 2017 via another blog: From gym to gun range here's where antifa train (I understand if you want to cut out the link.)

    I thought it interesting that a highlighted quote from the article was "At the end of the day, stronger people are harder to kill." Made me think that maybe these guys have heard of SS. Then I saw the picture of their "leader". Turns out, no, they haven't heard of SS.
    Am I the only one old enough to be snickering at that narrow-assed leiter of their's? Meyer Lanski? Really? Change that "i" to a "y" and hey presto! You've the mob's accountant from days of yore.

    Quote Originally Posted by George Christiansen View Post
    Where do you get the idea that holding back is going to win Trump votes instead of lose him votes?

    He will be criticized by the media regardless of what he does and most of the people that will be turned off by legitimate action will not be voting for him under any circumstances anyway.



    Did they?

    We know elections are tampered with. We also know that politicians fail and lie. We also know that many places have elected officials who won by very small margins.

    I'm still waiting on a wall and a stop to importing unneeded legal replacements for companies that could care less about the US. I was promised this by Trump. Apparently I should have voted for Covid as it has done a better job on both.



    Or possibly those results are because of who he already appointed.

    But Trump is the only person allowed the victim card more than African American criminals.

    "If only the poor guy wasn't so harassed by the press and liberals....."



    It is irrelevant how much of a problem they are. They are an international terrorist organization. That makes them a federal issue as far as the US is concerned.



    Not that! The horror.

    Have we asked him his preferred pronouns too?

    This is why conservatism is doomed. They never do anything, but provide limp wristed reactions to the Left, who dictate both the game and it's terms.



    I am not talking about burning any locale to the ground. I am talking about specifically dealing with terrorists.

    Those cities are not a monolithic group. What you are saying is along the lines that noone should have fought ISIS because the locals being terrorized by them needed to learn to do it for themselves. Obviously there are legitimate questions of jurisdiction as to who fights ISIS, but that doesn't apply to these terrorists here.

    And of course it would be better if a bunch of locals took up arms and dealt with it if the local police and such cannot or will not, but that doesn't eliminate the Federal governments legal and moral responsibility to act.

    The people in those cities who will hate "us" if the Feds deal with it do now and always will. That isn't the entirety of the population and even if it is then good. The sooner this country gets some divorces finalized the better.



    The rule of law demands that we cage certain people and there will be people killed in the process.

    Hell, if few people in this comments sections happened to destroy a few targets across the country, handed out guns to fellow looters, and killed a few cops and civilians what do you think would happen? The FBI would be on us like white on rice and investigating this entire board.

    Meanwhile this is an obvious organized and funded effort with numerous crimes being committed across state and national lines....and...we get tweets.

    I am more and more leaning towards Trump just being a sort of Manchurian Candidate than anything else.

    I'll be happy to be wrong, but my faith in 3-D chess is all but gone.
    You seem to be a bit bipolar on your deploring of and shit talking about the po-po on the one hand while just now venting your seeming desire for some war porn along the lines of a Gordon Dickson dorsai novella.

    Make up your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    You simple bastard. You want national action for the COVID farce, but no national action for riots. It took you about 1 minute to contradict yourself. My god, son, you are just barely capable of speech. Back to deletion.

    The problem with those who have fallen into this deal seems to be this:

    1) the belief that the virus is just a likely to kill anyone who contracts it

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    2) rioters/looters are somehow justified, so they should get a pass

    It is interesting to note how often the person who so fervently adheres to the COVID narrative, is the same one that will apologize for being non-black.

    As evidence for #1, people chastise others for taking their kids out and about (my sister was yelled at because her 15 yo daughter was maskless at a WalMart) and talk about how the young will get sick if they go to school in the fall.....but won't talk to you about the death rate/hospitalization rate for those same kids. From what I have seen, it is essentially zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Rowe View Post
    Absolutely, Rip. I know what you're saying, and I rarely reply to you because I agree with the essence of what you say. Maybe not the gut shots or lamp posts, but I also earnestly believe you're not happy about those ideas. I'm also not naive to the fact that destruction and death aren't the likeliest option, but are always just around the corner. Always and everywhere.

    I agree with you that cities must burn themselves out, and that it will be blood on the hands of their voters and not only the politicians. I was invoking General William T. Sherman to Professor David Boyd as he attended seminary in Louisiana that would later become LSU:

    "You, you the people of the South, believe there can be such a thing as peaceable secession. You don't know what you are doing. I know there can be no such thing. ... If you will have it, the North must fight you for its own preservation. Yes, South Carolina has by this act precipitated war. ... This country will be drenched in blood. God only knows how it will end. Perhaps the liberties of the whole country, of every section and every man will be destroyed, and yet you know that within the Union no man's liberty or property in all the South is endangered. ... Oh, it is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization. ... You people speak so lightly of war. You don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing. I know you are a brave, fighting people, but for every day of actual fighting, there are months of marching, exposure and suffering. More men die in war from sickness than are killed in battle. At best war is a frightful loss of life and property, and worse still is the demoralization of the people. ...
    "You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people, but an earnest people and will fight too, and they are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it.
    "Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The Northern people not only greatly outnumber the whites at the South, but they are a mechanical people with manufactures of every kind, while you are only agriculturists--a sparse population covering a large extent of territory, and in all history no nation of mere agriculturists ever made successful war against a nation of mechanics. ...
    "The North can make a steam-engine, locomotive or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical and determined people on earth--right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with.
    "At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, and shut out from the markets of Europe by blockade as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. ... if your people would but stop and think, they must see that in the end you will surely fail."


    General Sherman hated war as intensely as I hate war -- maybe moreso. And he burned everything between the Mason Dixon line and the sea down, including Atlanta. Not because he was vengeful or murderous, but because he knew it was necessary to crush the idea that had possessed people.

    I don't speak for every veteran, but every veteran I know is disgusted with the decadence, lack of action and the insanity of Marxism that is ruining the last bastion of Liberty, and the homes of our families, that we fought to protect. I imagine I feel like a Roman Triarius prepared to fight other Romans on Roman soil. Even should the government, police and citizens of this country collapse and surrender -- we will be here to do what must be done, and it will be entirely different if we do. Which is why General Sherman is so important right now:

    "I confess without shame that I am tired & sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. Even success, the most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies […] It is only those who have not heard a shot, nor heard the shrills & groans of the wounded & lacerated (friend or foe) that cry aloud for more blood & more vengeance, more desolation & so help me God as a man & soldier I will not strike a foe who stands unarmed & submissive before me but will say ‘Go sin no more.’"

    And again

    "In our country ... one class of men makes war and leaves others to figure it out."

    And again

    "I am satisfied, and have been all the time, that the problem of this war consists in the awful fact that the present class of men who rule the South must be killed outright rather than in the conquest of territory."

    And again

    "You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices today than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop..."

    I'll stop now. Because I could quote General Sherman all day, and each one would be as equally valid and applicable to right this moment as these.

    I'm begging everyone in our country, and especially the Marxists -- do NOT take this battle to the veterans. We are accustomed to death, and we do not retreat.

    "res ad triarios venit"
    Interesting to see the thought process of a man notorious for fighting a "total war". He seemed to be keenly aware of how drastic what he was doing actually was. I see and agree with the tactic of not just wiping this stuff out with military force. It will do more harm than good. Innocent people caught under the umbrella of terrible leadership will end up losing both life and property as collateral damage. But I do understand the frustration many seem to have with the apparent inaction. I also worry about how intense their frustrations are, many seem turned off entirely to voting for Trump a second time, and I have unfathomably even heard some say they may vote for Biden out of spite. But I think the string-pullers behind these things want armed response. Even if they can't get the feds to step in, they want opposing civilians to arm up and fight, because it will help spin their narrative of the "dangerous far right" and the "boogaloo movement" (an internet joke that is now apparently a terrorist threat). That's why they're targeting all the monuments now. They want to draw us out into conflict so they become the narrative victims, because we will be unable to say our persons or property were threatened. If we leave the public property to be defended by the people who are SUPPOSED to defend it, and they fail to, then all we really see is people trashing historical statues out of anger, and making fools of themselves in the process. When it comes to places like Minneapolis and the "Autonomous Zone", I feel for the people stuck there who don't support this garbage. I just hope they understand why the federal government isn't stomping it out and know that the secret ballot is their best friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    George, what do you think will happen when the feds come in, clean up the place, and then leave? Or do they stay? A Federal Occupation Force in Seattle/Minneapolis/Chicago/LA/Brooklyn? This ain't gonna work like you think it will.
    I am not talking about cleaning up with a place. I am talking about dealing with the terrorists themselves. It isn't the Feds job to fix those cities. It is their job to deal with the terrorists there.

    How do I think it is going to work? What do you even mean by "work"?

    What happens when you don't enforce any other legitimate laws? How does that "work"?

    I expect people to be arrested and jailed. People will inevitably be killed in the attempt....as is always the case when enforcing laws.

    What does leaving have to do with anything?

    The FBI and Homeland security shouldn't do anything ever if they are somehow obliged to stay after making arrests and such. But I'm guessing that if we can spend a few decades in shithole countries that didn't want us there and where we had no real business being, that we can at least try to sort things out for the actual Americans that were promised protection and pay for it.

    They have a job. Fighting domestic terrorism is part of it. It takes what it takes. Either change the laws or do it.

    And the motivation for the current dereliction of duty is clearly appearances/election not the practicality of doing that duty.

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    Jesus, Rip; he's obtuse, isn't he?

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    George, once again, tell us what you want the FBI and and HSA to do. The FBI shows up with Homeland Security. How many guys do they bring? What do they do when they get there? Do they surround the area, or do they penetrate it? Does it look like Fallujah? What are the ROEs? Who do they arrest? Where do they jail them? If they are attacked with bricks, how many do they shoot? Once the area is under control, how long do they stay? Are the arrested charged federally or locally? Who then tries the cases? If the locals refuse to police the now-orderly area, who does? What happens when the area is retaken by the mob?

    This is what I mean by "work."

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Christiansen View Post
    They have a job. Fighting domestic terrorism is part of it. It takes what it takes. Either change the laws or do it.

    And the motivation for the current dereliction of duty is clearly appearances/election not the practicality of doing that duty.
    I lived through America's second civil war in the 60's and 70's. In my predominantly black high school it was two riots by the time I graduated in 68. In college, the city it was in Carbondale, IL, had a Black Panther shoot outs, the arson of Old Main on the SIU campus, and storming and interior destruction of two other buildings on campus, along with four days of rioting. This or worse was happening all over the US and particularly on campuses after Kent State. When the campus and local police couldn't contain it, 400 state police came in and finally 1000 National Guard also came in. Along with skirmish lines, gas, and riot batons. The gas was deployed from ground based launchers and broadcast from skid mounted sprayers on helicopters.

    That was what I saw and experienced in my late teens. When I went into law enforcement, I had to clear streets a few times. It was dirty, grueling, and brutal. On both the cops and idiots being removed from the streets involved. It may sound pretty stirring, but it's only tiresome and it often gets you injured.

    It was a thorough mess. Now I'm not advocating doing nothing, not then and not now. But I challenge you again. You and others here have bemoaned what you call "cop shit" in this thread. What you are advocating is cop shit on steroids. Be careful what you wish for or be consistent in your thinking. Because having it both ways is mutually exclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrowdisciple View Post
    Swing ... and a miss! What I think you are trying to say is the more you test, the more "known" cases you will have, tautology, and exactly what a sensible government would want. As to COVID, the only effective approach is to test as many as people as possible, isolate the positive results until you believe they are no longer infectious, and treat those who display symptoms. Or, you could do what has been done at the national level, which is essentially nothing, cross your fingers, and hope not to die.
    You really think we are not testing as many as possible right now? In the US of A? In the last couple of weeks I got tested for the antibodies for free (negative), and could have gotten tested for the live virus at any of 4 different places within 2 miles of my house. You probably still don't have any idea why cases are "surging" in Florida do you you clown ass piece of shit.

    By the way, with all of that testing available, there have been about 100 positive tests and 1 fatality in the county I live in.

    You're probably one of those stupid motherfuckers that would prevent me from visiting my dying grandmother...

    Rip lets you drag down the level of discourse here once in a while so we can vent on you.

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