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    Quote Originally Posted by Haghstull View Post



    Well there will always be people who are worth a negative amount of money, so the richest person in my preferred mode of political economy would be >infiniti times wealthier than the least wealthy.

    ?
    A million times Infiniti

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    I’ve been entertained at how this thread has pivoted in the last few pages, but I’ve got no unique knowledge of socialist theory and the like.

    But I do have significant experience working with viruses in laboratory settings. It took me forever to understand why scientists were not speaking up about the ineffectiveness of masks. In discussing with some former colleagues, I came to the realization that they all knew and laughed at the idea but wouldn’t dream of speaking up. And I don’t blame them. The risk is to high.

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    It would be entertaining to see someone go around vaping (or smoking) and blowing it out their mask in public places that forbid vaping. That way when they get accosted they can respond that the mask is surely filtering out all the bad things in the vapor along with the coronavirus, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Today's fear propaganda: First dog in the U.S. dies from COVID-19. Here's what you need to know about pets and coronavirus spread - AOL Lifestyle



    Note the language of the headline. These people are absolutely relentless, and now our dogs are being employed in the fight for control of our behavior.

    And you poor bastards in Australia might as well be in jail: Victoria announces stage four coronavirus lockdown restrictions including overnight curfew | Melbourne | The Guardian

    The entire country has had 221 deaths from the deadly SARS-Covid-2 pandemic virus currently erasing all human life from the surface of the Earth, out of a population of 25,640,500 people, for a total of 0.0086% of the population -- a pretty good start, I suppose.
    Yeah, its great fun here in Melbourne at the moment.

    My wife can work from home (which is good considering schools have been closed for all but two weeks since easter and we have 4 children) and I'm an essential worker (private industry, not public service) so at least we don't have to worry about going broke.

    I will likely be issued papers to allow me to travel (but only to work) because that's what the government decrees is best for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnst_nhb View Post
    IÂ’ve been entertained at how this thread has pivoted in the last few pages, but IÂ’ve got no unique knowledge of socialist theory and the like.

    But I do have significant experience working with viruses in laboratory settings. It took me forever to understand why scientists were not speaking up about the ineffectiveness of masks. In discussing with some former colleagues, I came to the realization that they all knew and laughed at the idea but wouldnÂ’t dream of speaking up. And I donÂ’t blame them. The risk is to high.
    Whether these muzzles are ineffective or not isn't the point. The people shouldn't be wearing them at all. Covid-19 is no worse than influenza, we all know that now; all the figures are in. You've no more chance dying from C19 than Influenza A. But, too many people who should (and perhaps do) know better are still behaving like it's the Black Death of 1343! Obviously the deliberate over-inflating of deaths directly attributed to C19 hasn't helped, and neither has mass media scare-mongering. But how many of us know someone who has died directly from contracting C19?

    A 'case' - if someone has the virus in their body or not - is totally irrelevant. Millions upon millions of people carry influenza around every year. No one bats an eyelid.

    And, if they really wish to 'eradicate' this Coronavirus, why not allow 'herd immunity' to run it's course? All the lockdown does is increase the chances of a 'second wave' by preventing millions of people from developing immunity by contracting the virus. But, now that the World Economic Forum has announced a 'great opportunity', for their neo-Marxist 'Great Reset' programme*, the charade must continue.

    *I would supply the link, but interestingly, their website is currently offline.

    Look at this madness:

    Coronavirus: Melbourne police 'assaulted and baited' over lockdown rules - BBC News

    "Chief Commissioner Shane Mr Patton said the attack on the policewoman "highlights the type of challenges that we're experiencing", adding people were "baiting" police at checkpoints and refusing to disclose basic information.

    "On at least four occasions in the last week, we've had to smash the windows of cars and pull people out to provide details," he said."
    This sounds like the Communist East German Stasi.

    How many C19 deaths has Australia had since this fiasco began?

    226! Out of a total national population of 25.6million!

    By way of comparison, how many Australians died of influenza recently:

    2019: 900
    2017: 1,100

    Flu season which struck down 310,000 Australians '''worst on record''' due to early outbreaks - ABC News
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayrsson View Post
    Fascist was Fascist, not Nationalsocialist. Fascism was the doctrine of Musslolini and his comrades. Read Mussolini's autobiography for more information. Nationalsocialism the worldview of the NSDAP and the Third Reich, conceived by Hitler. Read his Mein Kampf if you want to learn about that.

    The two are very different. Fascism was based on the corporate state. The German Nationalsocialists were against the corporate state. Your comment that Nationalosocialist Germany believed "that the state should effectively own all property" is total nonsense. Both stridently defended the right to own private property. This is evident in both their own literature and practice. Both Fascism, and more so Nationalsocialism, were fundamentally opposed to Communism/Marxism-Leninism.

    Capitalism preaches that the 'individual' is of prime importance.
    Communism preaches that the 'community' is the only consideration.
    Nationalsocialism and Fascism insisted that both were equally important.

    Unfortunately Americans conflate 'socialism' with Communism. The fact is, socialism was initially a healthy reaction to the excesses of the industrial revolution, when 'working class' people were treated like animals in many instances. The difference is that the original socialists - men like R Carlyle, JS Mill, J Bentham etc, were not internationalists; they did not advocate class warfare, as the Marxists, Leninists and Trotskyites did; they did not declare war on the natural role of womankind, as the Marxists did.
    In Germany, the means of production was only nominally in private hands. The owner was required to produce, sell and buy whatever the state required. Huge deficit spending is not ‘centrist’. It is the theft of private property. This is why we don’t have full capitalism in the West-we have partial socialism. My point here, is that fascist are not capitalists they are socialists. Many of the socialist in Germany readily embraced the National Socialists because, bar some nominal differences, it pretty much fitted their collectivist goals.

    The accusation that Rip and others are ‘right wing’ in the because they are capitalists is plain wrong. Right and Left are flip sides of the same coin, separated nominally by the way in which the stare acquires private property. The left takes it outright, the right leaves it with the owner, but the owner is effectively a state employee. What the Nazis realised is that businesses owners made the best slaves, where as the Communists removed the owners and substituted those unfamiliar and ill equipped to run those businesses efficiently.

    Today we have a new breed of economic fascism -cronyism-the revolving door between big business and the state. It’s impossible to know exactly which one is making policy. Meanwhile we have socialist welfare systems for everyone else. We have big deficit spending Governments-many now Trillions deep in debt. None of that is even close to capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haghstull View Post
    Words can hardly express how wrong you are about basically every single claim in this post, my friend. Democracy, invented by the White Greeks and practiced on a large scale by no other civilization throughout world history, is the best of western culture and the only antidote to globalism. You seem to be forgetting about Trump 2016 and Brexit, wherein the voice of the people rose up above the din of internecine elite squabbles and demanded the preservation of borders, language and culture.
    You seem literate enough. If you can hardly find the words to express your thoughts, maybe you should reconsider your ideas.
    A constitutional republic is not a democracy. Greek Idiots - Democracy and Voting - Myth vs Fact

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    ...Hence, the answer is the Third Position...
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayrsson View Post
    Can't disagree with this at all. Marxism/Communism and modern Capitalism are merely two sides of the same coin. Both view man as a unit of economic consumption and production. In other words, they are dehumanising doctrines....
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayrsson View Post
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    Unfortunately Americans conflate 'socialism' with Communism. The fact is, socialism was initially a healthy reaction to the excesses of the industrial revolution, when 'working class' people were treated like animals in many instances. The difference is that the original socialists - men like R Carlyle, JS Mill, J Bentham etc, were not internationalists; they did not advocate class warfare, as the Marxists, Leninists and Trotskyites did; they did not declare war on the natural role of womankind, as the Marxists did....
    There are some good arguments for change, however...

    It is for good reason Americans conflate democracy with socialism and socialism with communism.
    As Marx and Lenin said:
    "Democracy is the road to Socialism"
    “The goal of Socialism is Communism.”

    We do currently operate under a system of clown world socialism in the United States. We have not reached full democracy yet, but we are very near to it. The system has allowed crony capitalism to flourish.

    Capitalism is not a form of governance; It is just what happens when individuals are allowed to trade and interact freely according to their own will and desire.

    Communism attempted to destroy Chinese heritage, culture and tradition during the cultural revolution. National socialism is the most appropriate description for the current iteration of government in China. National Socialism does protect the remnants of Chinese culture, tradition and society, but it comes at a heavy price.

    How about a fourth option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnst_nhb View Post
    I’ve been entertained at how this thread has pivoted in the last few pages, but I’ve got no unique knowledge of socialist theory and the like.

    But I do have significant experience working with viruses in laboratory settings. It took me forever to understand why scientists were not speaking up about the ineffectiveness of masks. In discussing with some former colleagues, I came to the realization that they all knew and laughed at the idea but wouldn’t dream of speaking up. And I don’t blame them. The risk is to high.
    The “Holland’s Top Scientists” statement is not about the effectiveness of masks per se, it is about the practicality and use of a universal mask mandate. If you read the article, in Holland they still do mandate masks on public transit where people crowd together, and one of the “top Holland scientists” says “we have seen this approach works.”

    Nobody says that masks are 100% effective for anything. But, properly used, they do reduce spread of droplets, and are a part of effective infection control. The other parts are physical distance, minimizing contact, and hand hygiene. Masks may be the smallest contributor here, but they are literally better than nothing, and the fact that they have become a proxy battle in the Culture Wars(tm) doesn’t change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Yes, we all are....George Floyd BODYCAM Video of Arrest RELEASED! (REACTION) - YouTube

    Poor man, all high on drugs, scared of going back to prison, has pre-existing health conditions... gave himself darn near a heart attack before Chauvin-et-all finished the job.

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    This site allows you to inspect the accuracy of COVID-19 death predictions. The default visualization is misleading; make sure to select “incident deaths”.

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