The degree to which so much of this is cult of personality or virtue signaling always initially goes over my head. To me, a thing or situation, is a thing not matter who's where. I don't care which party did what, just establish the rules of the game and stick to it. I forget (and am always shocked by) how married other people are to their various corners and labels.
Wondering this too. My state, Mississippi, is being really hit hard right now. (Supposedly, I admit to not knowing anything personally to confirm this in spite of living in the capital city.) We're all fat down here. Fat, diabetes, and no real exercise. We don't even have sidewalks most places here. And a high concentration of black folks- which they say are more susceptible to the virus. (Course, if you ask me it's because they continue to want to take all 12 of their kids to the WalMart but I'm not supposed to say that. We're supposed to pretend it's cuz racism.) So does my state have a Covid problem or not? If we're counting people who died from heart failure as Covid deaths how is that altering stats? The governor was standing firm but just caved calling a halt to schools opening and issuing a mask mandate. So the potentially FUBAR'd stats may be about to seriously decimate what's left of our economy. Which is messed up, to say the least. To destroy everything based on bad intel?
That's rich considering how many people fled that city at the begining taking the virus out with them to other places. "New York City? Get a rope."
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The 0.05% of population dead has nearly already happened, We are maybe around 0.045% now. You can’t go back down to 0.003% no matter what happens. What does happen next is largely unknown, sure.
Well yes, the response to this has been an uncoordinated heavy-handed mess. That is clear to everyone paying attention, I think.
I do not realize this, and it would come as news to my relatives in NYC. But yes, there is a housing/rent/mortgage crisis in progress.
That is certainly possible, though I do’t think that most small business owners will totally give up and go on the dole permanently. Yes, this is an awful economic crisis, and would be even if it had been handled better, and may be worse economically in many cases because of the draconian response to a situation that feels out of control because of the lack of a rational response earlier on. But that doesn’t change what the virus is or isn’t.
Yes, I have a pretty narrow perspective here, but I do not think that injecting facts into the debate should be a problem. Battle lines have been drawn politically around this thing, and I think that both sides do themselves a disservice by under- or overblowing the severity of the virus, or by ignoring facts that are tough to reconcile.
How was 2057 derived? Possible, I guess, if we REALLY slow this thing down.
You must be aware that flu kills people with pre-existing conditions at higher rates too. If you are filtering them out for purposes of comparing COVID with flu, you must do the same thing with flu deaths.
The problem with filtering out people with the dreaded pre-existing conditions is that most people over 60 with obesity, diabetes, cardiac disease, COPD, cancer, etc. currently have a life expectancy greater than 1 year. So to say they were “dying already” is not accurate. Unless you postulate that we are all “dying already,” in which case you are a French Existentialist. If so, c’est la vie.
I agree, and my posts here are a way of humbly contributing some of that information and analysis, a certain amount of which I have (though not in advanced statistics, economics, or politics, unfortunately).
I think you have plenty of intellect, and I am not dismissive of your analysis here, I just want to see the discussion based on the actual data, as best as we can determine it, so I chime in when I think I see something others have missed. I am also open to changing my mind.
I don’t have prefrontal lobes. Are those lobes that you have before you develop frontal lobes? If you have prefrontal lobes you should work on growing your baby lobes into the real thing.
I have no problem with what Birx says here. I do have a problem with “anyone who dies with COVID in their system is a COVID death,” but that is not what she is saying. I have filled out a few death certificates over the years, and have spent lots of time in hospitals. Cause of death is nearly always multifactorial. Yes, COVID deaths are over-counted in some cases. They are probably also under-counted in some cases. Same with flu, cancer, and dementia, to name a few. We must work with the data we have, though it is never fully accurate and indisputable, especially in real time. I am sure we will have much better numbers in a few years, long after it was time to act.
Basically, if you become critically ill from COVID, and then have a heart attack, you didn’t really die from cardiac disease, though that was a contributing factor, sure. That’s why it’s ALSO listed on the death certificate, and why you can find the stats referred to above by Bikesandcars.
If you are hit by a drunk driver and are rushed into trauma surgery, and have a cardiac arrest and die on the operating table, weren’t you killed by the car accident? The other driver’s lawyer will say you died from your preexisting cardiac issues, and will find some cardiac calcification on the autopsy to support this. I think that lawyer is wrong, and I’m sure your family would too.
This is the primary issue that worries us. All of us who are willing to think know the COVID-19 numbers, and we're not scared like we would be if we were discussing Ebola, or the Rage Virus from 28 Days Later. We all know that the flu kills people. So do car wrecks, smoking, and sitting squarely on our asses, none of which have resulted a government takeover of our lives. People die, between 2.5 and 3 million a year in the US. But only COVID-19 -- THIS YEAR, this one time -- has merited the bizarre response we have seen, that has destroyed the economy and irreparably damaged society.
We're all wondering why this might be. That's the primary issue on our minds, and no discussion of what are in reality trivial death numbers from COVID-19 is going to address this question. Please try to understand: your begrudging admission of the existence of an uncoordinated heavy-handed mess is not satisfying to those of us whose businesses, jobs, and relationships have been gutted, and more Doctor Shit is not what we want to hear. Again, everybody on this board has a lot of respect for you, but in my opinion you need to back up, widen your perspective, and look at the rest of the facts at play here.
Here's the disease: COVID-19: Data Summary - NYC Health We all know this. It's over, and we need to get back to work and to life, like we always have after flu season. But these idiots are telling us we can't. Every day they run brand-new fear porn to make us doubt what we really know to be true. We're getting mad. It's important to understand why, because very bad things are coming soon.
These heads of the "who" you are talking about are so hidden under layers of puppets running puppets, i don't know if such a strategy would be successful. We just need to pray that their greed will destroy themselves and further pray that the collateral damage from that fallout will not be too grave.