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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsuma View Post
    This account has been suspended. Fascinating. I'll paste as much here as I can:

    The uncovering of the vaccination data in Israel reveals a frightening picture

    Analyses below of an article promoting COVID-19 vaccination enable to uncover all vaccination data and a frightening situation

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    On February 11 2021 Ynet (the most known Israeli News website) published a confused and confusing article entitled "Vaccination efficiency data in Israel, and its rapid effects on the young".

    Our reanalyses of these data explain why during the massive vaccination project initiated mid-December 2020 during a confinement, daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases failed to decrease as they do during confinements, and, more importantly, why numbers of serious, critical and death cases increased during that period that covered at least one month. From mid-December to mid-February (two months), 2337 among all Israeli 5351 official COVID-deaths occurred.Our analyses indicate orders of magnitude increases in deaths rates during the 5-week long vaccination process, as compared to the unvaccinated and those after completing the vaccination process. Presumably, asymptomatic cases before vaccination, and those infected shortly after the 1st dose, tend to develop graver symptoms than those unvaccinated.
    The Ynet article is organised in an exciting way and uses data provided in an erroneous way by the Ministry of Health. It is unclear whether this was intentional to prove the vaccine's efficiency or if this was done erroneously because the provided data were misunderstood.Note that in Israel, all vaccines are from Pfizer.

    We bring a very important example from the article, in relation to the table provided by the Ministry of Health. As per the text "However, 546 among the dead were such that were not at all vaccinated or got the first vaccination dose within two weeks before their death" differs from the table. This is clearly unfounded because all data presented in the table and provided below describe only COVID-19 patients that got at least the first vaccination dose. This is clear from examining the table. The grand total is 43781 COVID patients who got the first or the second vaccine dose. Among the total of 660 deaths, 546 got only the first dose.
    The data in the table, rather than indicating the vaccine efficiency, indicate the vaccine's adverse effects.

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    (This link to the table was still working when I posted it.)

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    For that purpose we need first to understand that the provided table describes the state of COVID-19 patients that got the first or the second vaccine dose at given dates, as started in the article "…emerges from the data that among 856 patients above 60 years in serious state hospitalized at this time…" we assume that the article published February 11 reflects the situation in hospitals the previous day, hence February 10 2021, or February 11 2021.
    On February 10, the number of serious active cases was 1056 according to the control panel of the Ministry of Health, see photo below.

    This surprisingly shows that most serious hospitalized cases on February 10 or at a near date were in fact vaccinated with the first dose or up to two weeks after the second dose. See the table of the vaccinated patients showing 1031 serious and 220 critical cases at the time the table was done. This matches the article in hebrew from February 1st 2021 "Can one show that the vaccine from Pfizer is today's major cause for high death rates in Israel and the world?".
    However, this is not the last surprise we get from examining the data from the Ministry of Health.
    We can substract the number of people with the first vaccine dose on January 19 2021 from that on February 10 2021. During these 21 days, 1331881 Israeli citizens got the first dose. The table shows that 568 among these died, hence 0.042% and that 39047 among them became a COVID-19 case, hence 2.9 %.
    For the 2nd dose we focus on data specific to two weeks after the 2nd vaccination according to the table.

    From January 26 to February 10 2021 909102 Israeli citizens got the 2nd vaccine dose. Among these according to the table, 92 died, 0.01%.
    Hence, during the 5 weeks since the first dose at least 0.05% of first dose recipients died. This death rate relates mainly to a relatively young population whose vaccination stated on January 19, a period during which most vaccinated were below 65.
    In order to estimate the death rate of those above 65 which were mostly vaccinated before that period we use data reported by the USA-based VAERS,

    There we found, see article in english, that the ratio of deaths by those above 65 vs those below 65 is about 4.42 (155/35). Hence the death rate of those above 65 between the first and the second vaccination dose should be until January 19 0.042 (the death rate of those below 65) multiplied by 4.42, resulting in 0.186%, which is close to the 0.2% reported by the Ministry of Health on January 21 2021.
    This value of 0.2 % death has been mysteriously modified later on by the Ministry of Health and was switched to 0.005 without any explanation, see article in hebrew. Above considerations show that the death rate data provided first were correct, the updated death rate data might have been intended to suggest lower death rates among the elderly.

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    The exposures do not end here.
    The number of COVID-19 deaths among the vaccinated since the start of the vaccination action seems to explain the increased death rates from COVID-19 observed since December 2020.
    For that purpose, we calculate the products of the number of vaccinated people above age 65 by 0.2 and the number of vaccinated people below 65 by 0.04. This shows that most COVID-19 deaths in that period are for vaccinated people, as shows the table provided by the Ministry of health at the beginning of February.

    During the vaccination action from mid-December until mid-February, 2337 among all 5351 COVID-19 deaths reported for Israel occurred, 43.7%. Among these, since January 19, 1271 COVID-19 deaths were reported for Israel.The table provided by the Ministry of Health on February 10 states 660 COVID-19 deaths among the vaccinated, 51.9% of the deaths for that period. Only 1.3 million Israeli, among 8 million (about 1 in 8, 12.5%), were vaccinated during that period. Accordingly, vaccination promotes deaths because 51.9% of deaths during that period are for the 12.5% vaccinated in that period. In addition the serious and critical cases during that period is more than the reported serious cases, the adverse effect of the vaccination process is most likely worse than what appears from the data at hand.

    The horror continues. The deaths among those vaccinated should be added to the numerous AVC and cardiac events reported just after vaccination that are not included among COVID-19 deaths which about double the deaths among those vaccinated, whose numbers remain unknown and which we will try to find in the coming days.
    At this point we state that vaccinations caused more deaths than the coronavirus would have during the same period.
    Among those vaccinated and above 65, 0.2% of those vaccinated died during the 3-week period between doses, hence about 200 among 100000 vaccinated. This is to be compared to the 4.91 dead among 100000 dying from COVID-19 without vaccination, see below. This should not be confused with the COVID-19 0.279 deaths among 100000 reported for those who completed the vaccination process, meaning 2 weeks after the second dose, see below table from the Ynet article.

    This scary picture also extends to those below 65, among which, for the 5 weeks during the complete vaccination process 0.05%, meaning 50 among 100000, died. This is to be compared to the 0.19 per 100000 dying from COVID-19 and that are not vaccinated in that age group, as per the above table. Hence the death rate of this age group increased by 260 during this 5-week period of the vaccination process, as compared to their natural COVID-19 death rate.

    A simple way to pass these points across relate to the monthly COVID-19 deaths rates since the start of the pandemic and until mid-December, 3014 deaths, hence 3014/9 = 334.9 deaths per month. Monthly death rates since mid-December are 2337/2 = 1168.5 deaths per month, hence 3.5 times greater.

    We conclude that the Pfizer vaccines, for the elderly, killed during the 5-week vaccination period about 40 times more people than the disease itself would have killed, and about 260 times more people than the disease among the younger age class. We stress that this is in order to produce a green passport valid at most 6 months, and promote Pfizer sales.
    These estimated numbers of deaths from the vaccine are probably much lower than actual numbers as it accounts only for those defined as COVID-19 deaths for that short time period and does not include AVC and cardiac (and other) events resulting from the inflammatory reactions in tens of reports documented on the NAKIM site, which themselves are only the iceberg's tip, see here.

    This does not account for long-term complications described in a criminal complaint filed in December 2020 in France and which was translated to english, see here.
    Looking back, this explains why the serious COVID-19 cases increased as vaccination started, and why cases started to decline when vaccination was opened to the young and continue to decline as the vaccination national campaign is losing its momentum.


    We hope that this massacre will not include those below 13, as these have an increased adverse reaction rate, including death, to vaccines as shown by multi-decennial data from the VAERS reports in the USA.
    We summarise that the pandemic may be predicted for the coming weeks. The decrease in vaccinations and in vaccination age will cause a decrease in serious cases, mainly not because of the protection by the vaccine, but because fewer people will die from the vaccine and other adverse vaccine reactions.

    This will be temporary as in a few months we expect to face mid- and long-term adverse effects of the vaccination as ADE (Antibody-dependent Enhancement) and the vaccination-resistant mutants selected by the vaccines. But this should occur after the soon coming elections and the (survivor) voters won’t have another opportunity to express their disappointment at the voting poll.

    Thanks to Dr Hervé Seligmann for his huge support on data analysis.

    Haim Yativ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haghstull View Post

    You want a direct argument? Ensuring equity in the spheres of the education and healthcare throughout childhood is an essential part of equality of opportunity, which is an essential part of what you could call the western civic and political tradition. Therefore, denying equity to children of opportunity to people is bad. Three steps—about as direct as I can get it. Now which of these do you ACTUALLY disagree with?

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    I disagree with ensuring equity. I also disagree with ensuring equality.

    I don’t understand what denying equity to a person of opportunity is. I don’t understand what a person of opportunity is.

    I agree you’ve made a direct argument this time, although your conditional arguments are insufficient for your conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    I disagree with ensuring equity. I also disagree with ensuring equality.

    I don’t understand what denying equity to a person of opportunity is. I don’t understand what a person of opportunity is.

    I agree you’ve made a direct argument this time, although your conditional arguments are insufficient for your conclusion.
    Although the current state of affairs seems to have left behind the reasons stated in the Declaration of Independence for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, the fact remains that they were the foundation of our revolution. It was the French who went for liberty, equality, and fraternity. We saw how that worked out with the Terror. The only one of the founders who was not disgusted by their excesses was that reprobate Jefferson. The worst of it is he was in France during the scaffold and guillotine and THAT represents how repellent of a person he really was under his vaunted intellect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald Boggs View Post
    The military does, but where do they put them? Congress begrudges giving them even a decent place to rest between guard shifts. Reading about this and the state of the army at Ft. Hood, I may no longer be able to encourage young folks to join the military.
    That is the problem with the military these days, they contract out all ancillary services and compromise their ability to effectively respond to a call out. I belong to a state emergency service which was originally formed to respond to civil emergencies , but these days the government contracts out parts of it services and relies on a public communication network and the internet to run their operation centers, which is all good until there is a massive power loss and there is no internet or mobile service to communicate to men in the field. The folk that run these organizations just assume that the internet and electrical infrastructure will always be available and that is where they come unstuck when a real disaster strikes.

    When I worked full time we had all our comms and operations in house and no matter what happened in the general community or infrastructure we were self contained and could operate in all weather and calamities, however those abilities have been compromised because we rely on pubic networks and private organizations such as Fakebook and Twitter to operate, which Australia found out to its horror when Zuckerbeg turn off Facebook to government departments and emergency services. We just don't learn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    I disagree with ensuring equity. I also disagree with ensuring equality.

    I don’t understand what denying equity to a person of opportunity is. I don’t understand what a person of opportunity is.
    You aren't the only one asking what it means. To me it's nothing but feel-good leftist talking point nonsense. Just like the stupid "Mercy Ships" radio ad I hear about every 5 minutes with the "every person has the right to set at the table of the human race" nonsense statement. Just more leftist bullshit in an attempt to make a claim they feel can't be argued against since there's nothing tangible to it to pin them down on, without them moving the goalposts constantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haghstull View Post
    Your great-grandparents—better people—lived through the time when the government hardly bothered taxing anyone and just trusted the corporations to provide everyone with an acceptable standard of living.

    You will notice that they voted differently from you.
    No, they didn't.

    I recon at mid 40's I'm probably smack in the middle of the age range here. My grandparents were Republicans until late in life when they went Libertarian. My great-grandparents were small government folks. My great-grandmother crossed the picket line at Ma Bell to work when others went on strike for a union. (Cuz fuck them mob-connected Yankees.) WWI rates were as high as 77%. Hoover and Roosevelt both raised taxes (about 60 and 70% respectively) after a brief period where they had been lowered to around 58%. In 1959 when my mother was born it was even higher. Look, if even a small part of what we pay in actually reached the folks who needed it, I'd be ok with that. It wouldn't be my first choice of method, but I'd argue way less about it. But that's not what happens. It's used to keep our troops in wars they don't need to be in and to line the pockets of every political crony and gender studies grad that can stick their hand out. The national budget is ginormous and yet, we got little kids who can't pay their lunch tab getting cold cheese sandwiches. My city has added a penny tax repeatedly and raised millions with it and yet here we sit, the subject of national news because we're two weeks out from the winter storm and most of the city can't flush a toilet. Your ideas may work on paper but not in real life. In real life, the government is corrupt as fuck and doesn't give a flip about any of us. It's all gonna go in their pockets one way or another. They throw us the few crumbs they have to to keep us from dragging them out of their homes and hanging them and as soon as they get enough of the cops on their side that will change too.

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    I have a friend who's father in law, mother in law, and sister in law were all hit HARD by covid. MIL died, SIL had double lung transplant and (as of 2 weeks ago) still struggling, and FIL was barely out of the woods. I told my friend about IVM, and he said the docs tried it, to no avail. Unsure WHEN it was administered.

    Not arguing or anything, just posting as an FYI only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsuma View Post
    More data:

    In 1976, the US abruptly halted the swine flu vaccine after 6 weeks for 25 deaths & 362 cases of Guillaine-Barr Syndrome. (source: The Way It Was – 1976 – Swine Flu Vaccinations) This is after 45 million received the vaccine.

    After 8 weeks of covid19 mRNA medical device implant injections ("vaccines"), we are at 653 deaths, 150+ anaphylaxis and 130+ cases of Bell Palsy (source: link quoted above to the National Vaccine Info Center). This was 501 deaths just two days ago....so 75 deaths per day for the last 2 days (?).

    ..and our government plans to require mRNA implant injection if you wish to....what? Travel? Visit at State / Federal Park? Enter a government building such as a school? Take a piss in a public bathroom? As I understand it, this is a medical procedure never before performed on humans (?)....for a virus that is treatable having a very high survival rate and a now known exaggerated infection rate due to very high false positive testing.

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    I read the whole damned thing at 5:30am today; it sent me back to bed.

    Byrne's description of the oval office meeting jives with the Monkee Werx interview of the young staffer who got them into the White House. The staffer is absolutely a believable guy. Byrne has told some large tales in the past..perhaps those stories are true also.

    Noncompliance is a dangerous game that only billionaires can afford to play....and Trump paid dearly. I appreciate that he tried and the badass NEVER complied. Trump is a Real Man....probably flawed, but I don't think he flinched until the end. They got to him.

    It begs the question: Where are the Real Men? Our Generals sure look like Real Men with their manly costumes and scowling, chiseled faces. "You will not get past jump street". Oohhhhh...gives me chills. Yet, they stand by and allow our constitution to be mocked and our elections to become the laughing stock of the world. Burma's military men will redo their elections WITHOUT the corrupted voting machines. We, on the other hand, are spoiled pussies who are really good at droning people with brown skin in other countries because....i have no idea why....probably the same reasoning involved in the impeachment of Donald Trump.

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    I don't remember Obama droning the Finns.
    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderFun View Post
    Every anecdote I've heard about ivermectin resulted in essentially a 24 hour turnaround in COVID symptoms. The only alternative explanation for those results in my view is that their symptoms were going to be gone in that 24 hour period anyway. Granted, when I had what I am pretty sure was COVID in November 2019, that's about as fast as symptoms disappeared for me. But I spent the day basically sleeping and only getting up to eat food or drink gatorade. It took longer for my parents to get over it, especially my dad, but he made it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    I disagree with ensuring equity. I also disagree with ensuring equality.
    I don’t understand what denying equity to a person of opportunity is. I don’t understand what a person of opportunity is.
    I agree you’ve made a direct argument this time, although your conditional arguments are insufficient for your conclusion.
    Now I don’t know what you’re talking about. I have never heard or used the term “person of opportunity” before. I’m saying that populist economic programs that involve guaranteeing certain things that were once inherited advantages as basic rights is a way to advance the western ideal of equality of opportunity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark E. Hurling View Post
    Although the current state of affairs seems to have left behind the reasons stated in the Declaration of Independence for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, the fact remains that they were the foundation of our revolution. It was the French who went for liberty, equality, and fraternity. We saw how that worked out with the Terror. The only one of the founders who was not disgusted by their excesses was that reprobate Jefferson. The worst of it is he was in France during the scaffold and guillotine and THAT represents how repellent of a person he really was under his vaunted intellect.
    Contrasting those two phrases, each a handful of words in length, is no substitute for thoughtful reflection on the tremendous philosophical continuity between the French and American revolutions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenni View Post
    No, they didn't.
    It's used to keep our troops in wars they don't need to be in and to line the pockets of every political crony and gender studies grad that can stick their hand out. The national budget is ginormous and yet, we got little kids who can't pay their lunch tab getting cold cheese sandwiches.
    The group of people that came of age during the Great Depression has always voted for progressive policies more reliably than subsequent generations; that’s all I meant, Jenni. Of course, there are people of every political stripe from every generation.

    For the record, this is what I mean when I say that I agree with people here. I agree we should cut the defense budget, I agree that government-sponsored sinecures for gender studies majors is bad. But the important parts of government (SS, Medicare, and Medicaid) make up more of the budget than these, and expanding them is the solution to the problem of poor children.

    Also: the vast and corrupt employment credentialing system that gives rise to all of these gender studies sinecures is in large part not something that the government simply legislated into existence. The 21st century paradigm where you have to have a 4-year degree before you’re ever even really considered for a full-time job that offers real opportunity for advancement took root because the business community kept insisting on it. Government efforts to help people get educated via expansion of community colleges/pell grants/federally subsidized student loans etc. was a disastrous mistake, but they didn’t create the problem itself, they merely failed to solve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Charles View Post
    I don’t understand what a person of opportunity is.
    Is that Hunter’s term for his sister in law?

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