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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I'd really like to know what happened in Russia in the 1930s that allowed Stalin to decimate his population, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, all these evil animals. It seems like hyperbole to say that the same level of compliance and obedience we're seeing here allowed that genocide, so I wonder what the differences really are. A matter of degree? This kind of widespread public acceptance of blatant control of the individual leads nowhere any of us want to go, but going we are.
    It seems like hyperbole only if you don't think that there is a large (enough) percentage of people who think you and I are evil fucks for not wearing a mask into Walmart and then a larger percentage of people who will do anything to avoid losing their bread and circus privileges.

    And where are all the "patriots" every time someone does get carted off to jail for some insane nonsense? How is it that the entirety of gaslighting about how dangerous white conservative guys is made up?

    Did Stalin & Co even have to send $1200 checks to buy people's sanity?

    Maybe it is hyperbole, but maybe you'll be surprised how many others are already there when you get sent to the FEMA camp.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Jackson View Post
    That's because "we" are no longer a people. We are a collection of deracinated, atomised self-interested individuals who have no real belonging to the places we find ourselves in. It was never a question of morality, it's just that "we" have been scared off the idea of collectivizing, and the group who is prepared to collectivize, and act in their group interests, will always outcompete individuals.

    The conservative right has convinced us the most important thing, while we're being buried alive, is that we mumble "at least we're not Nazis!". We will be the most principled and pathetic losers in history.
    Yup.

    At best there will be a few little Waco-ish type holdout incidents. They will probably not be nearly as kind to those people though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    The "bigotry" is statistically justified. What is not is having everyone else play dumb to avoid being able to see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I posted a link about this a couple of months ago, and several people told me it was the scariest thing they'd read so far. Like a booby trap. Now, who would do such a thing to little old us? I can think of a few. I will watch this, thanks for posting.
    In light of thoughts about 1930's Russia and such, I take comfort in knowing that many of the useful idiots who would happily turn on me will die from the flu. Saves a lot of bullets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I'd really like to know what happened in Russia in the 1930s that allowed Stalin to decimate his population, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, all these evil animals. It seems like hyperbole to say that the same level of compliance and obedience we're seeing here allowed that genocide, so I wonder what the differences really are. A matter of degree? This kind of widespread public acceptance of blatant control of the individual leads nowhere any of us want to go, but going we are.
    I'd say the main difference is that Russia was Emperor ruled prior to socialism/communism. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn describes that people being arrested believed that they could clear their own name if they cooperated. So I'd say that the American public is naive enough for sure, but I'm terrible at predictions, I'd say that either the Progressives become vilified themselves or get more power in the next 10 years. Biden is going to wreck America, won't it be obvious when tax season comes around that he sucks? I think a lot hinges on how the democrats are perceived in the next 4 years, hopefully the Left keeps eating its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenni View Post
    You know, the bottom line problem to all this shit is that we let a group of people do things that we would never let a person do. Why is it more moral when a group does it? I'd love to hear the leftist apologists and weasel word posters on the board explain how that is. If I came up and took 30% of your pay, or forcefully slapped a muzzle on you I'd be in jail. But it's ok when "the government" does it? The ethics of a thing don't change because you've spread out the responsibility to more people.
    This is on that topic and may amuse some.
    https://i.imgur.com/FAMxd4J.jpeg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    This breaks my heart. Literally the only people this is gonna hurt are talented kids with poor parents who can't pay the tutors wealthier parents can. And it sets them up to pay more and get less out of college- they will have to take the basic courses at hundreds of dollars per semester hour whereas the tutored kids will be able to CLEP out of all that and go on to higher level math upon entry. ACT and SAT scores will be lower too, thus denying them access to scholarships. The homeschool mom in me wishes I could tutor everyone.

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    Here's a notable discrepancy between news reporting and underlying science. CNBC:

    “What our analysis continues to show is that many spaces that have been shut down in fact don’t need to be. Often times the space is large enough, the ventilation is good enough, the amount of time people spend together is such that those spaces can be safely operated even at full capacity and the scientific support for reduced capacity in those spaces is really not very good,” Bazant said. “I think if you run the numbers, even right now for many types of spaces you’d find that there is not a need for occupancy restrictions.”

    Six-feet social distancing rules that inadvertently result in closed businesses and schools are “just not reasonable,” according to Bazant.
    “This emphasis on distancing has been really misplaced from the very beginning. The CDC or WHO have never really provided justification for it, they’ve just said this is what you must do and the only justification I’m aware of, is based on studies of coughs and sneezes, where they look at the largest particles that might sediment onto the floor and even then it’s very approximate, you can certainly have longer or shorter range, large droplets,” Bazant said.

    “The distancing isn’t helping you that much and it’s also giving you a false sense of security because you’re as safe at 6 feet as you are at 60 feet if you’re indoors. Everyone in that space is at roughly the same risk, actually,” he noted.
    The actual paper lacks all this color. No pointed abstract, no recommendations to lift restrictions, no criticism of the CDC or WHO. In fact, their stance seems flipped. They focus on how the 6-foot rule is too permissive. Their graph (Figure 3) depicts small slivers of safety for the 6-foot rule, restricted to short time periods. They affirm the utility of masks and cite many "superspreader" events. They discuss poor ventilation in a hypothetical bar.

    Maybe CNBC is exaggerating the authors' stance, for clicks and hysteria. Maybe the authors are saying things for attention. No - it seems the paper was just written demurely. Their model's predictions are, for most parameter settings, indeed more permissive than the CDC's 6-foot rule. (Of course, this can be plausibly denied by appropriate selection of parameters.)

    Did the authors unfaithfully describe their model? Or did they feel pressured to tame their language in order to get published? Someone more enterprising than me can look at the revisions made during peer review. Note to zft: this is a theoretical paper - about as close to mathematics as COVID-19 research gets - but I would hardly call this situation free of BS.

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    Here's an article that presents another video with a camera angle. The officer performed exceptionally well, and while I think we should dispense with the hero-worship... it's abundantly clear why many veterans excel in law enforcement: training and stress/fear innoculation that many agencies and even ACADEMIES in civilian law enforcement will never be able to provide police recruits/cadets.

    Heroic Columbus Police Officer Who Fatally Shot Knife-Wielding Teen is Military-Trained Expert Marksman

    Underpaid. Undertrained. Undermanned. All from a lack of funding.

    Either get busy fixing it, vote to fund it, or just be like George and bitch about it incessantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I'd really like to know what happened in Russia in the 1930s that allowed Stalin to decimate his population, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, all these evil animals. It seems like hyperbole to say that the same level of compliance and obedience we're seeing here allowed that genocide, so I wonder what the differences really are. A matter of degree? This kind of widespread public acceptance of blatant control of the individual leads nowhere any of us want to go, but going we are.
    Dude, if the experts came on TV and explained to people that a particularly heavy strain of COVID was rampant in a distant country and had the potential to lead to serious trouble for “us”, and the only way to stop it was to bomb that entire country back to the Stone Age, all of our upstanding citizens would welcome the bombing. No hyperbole, we are seeing the same thing. The fascists were never actually beaten in the forties, they just went into hiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bendy-legs View Post
    So I'd say that the American public is naive enough for sure, but I'm terrible at predictions, I'd say that either the Progressives become vilified themselves or get more power in the next 10 years. Biden is going to wreck America, won't it be obvious when tax season comes around that he sucks? I think a lot hinges on how the democrats are perceived in the next 4 years, hopefully the Left keeps eating its own.
    Our local US CongressCritter, Mike Bost, was interviewed this week and said that the reason dems are throwing in the kitchen sink in both the Executive and Legislative Branches is because they believe they will lose at least the House in 2022. Which is usually the case for the party seated in the WH anyway during the next election cycle. The dems have a narrow margin of only 6 seats in the House and are tied in the Senate with Harris as the tie breaker. Except Joe Manchin of WV does not always vote with the rest of the dems. So far, he has said he` will not vote to end the filibuster which the dems need for disputed confirmations, statehood for DC, and packing SCOTUS. Along with other leftist wet dreams.

    So I am a little more optimistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Rowe View Post
    Underpaid. Undertrained. Undermanned. All from a lack of funding.

    Either get busy fixing it, vote to fund it, or just be like George and bitch about it incessantly.
    Bravo! Exactly what I have been saying on this board and elsewhere for over 10 years. As an example, tasers are a cheap substitute for skill. Their training and use is predicated on using existing firearms skills and then not trained with the frequency many agencies have for their firearms. Small wonder that under stress the wrong gun or gun-like device get grabbed and used even while the cop involved is yelling taser-taser-taser! Chicago PD has it's own academy. Most of the rest of the state of Illinois sends it's cops to the Police Training Institute at the University of Illinois. The training is 10 weeks long. It was 6 weeks when I went in the mid 70's. The bulk of the training was in academic things like law, a smattering of forensics, procedure, and such. There was less than 40 hours of firearms training and about an hour of baton training. No weaponless control or defensive tactics at all. Now at least, PTI does include the latter.

    Given your location in the Ozarks, wherever that may be in MO, AR, or maybe OK, it's not all that different here in Southern Illinois for underpaid and undertrained cops. The exceptions are a string of small to medium sized municipalities and counties along the IL-13 corridor with enough of a tax base to fund the training. Elsewhere, it's pretty much Mayberry. The state police are often the agency of next resort for anything more serious than a domestic engagement or shoplifting.

    And leave FL to it's would-be Supreme Leader for the Committees of Vigilance. It will fit in perfectly with the rest of the crazy-ass DNA that came to rest in the big toe of the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Rowe View Post
    Here's an article that presents another video with a camera angle. The officer performed exceptionally well, and while I think we should dispense with the hero-worship... it's abundantly clear why many veterans excel in law enforcement: training and stress/fear innoculation that many agencies and even ACADEMIES in civilian law enforcement will never be able to provide police recruits/cadets.

    Heroic Columbus Police Officer Who Fatally Shot Knife-Wielding Teen is Military-Trained Expert Marksman

    Underpaid. Undertrained. Undermanned. All from a lack of funding.

    Either get busy fixing it, vote to fund it, or just be like George and bitch about it incessantly.
    I don’t know, Rowe, maybe a van full of volunteer community peacekeepers would’ve arrived in time to disperse the brawl and save a life, like the Scooby Doo gang (instead of one police officer doing his best, and good at that, in that tumble of people).

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Rowe View Post
    Here's an article that presents another video with a camera angle. The officer performed exceptionally well, and while I think we should dispense with the hero-worship... it's abundantly clear why many veterans excel in law enforcement: training and stress/fear innoculation that many agencies and even ACADEMIES in civilian law enforcement will never be able to provide police recruits/cadets.

    Heroic Columbus Police Officer Who Fatally Shot Knife-Wielding Teen is Military-Trained Expert Marksman

    Underpaid. Undertrained. Undermanned. All from a lack of funding.

    Either get busy fixing it, vote to fund it, or just be like George and bitch about it incessantly.
    Well, the flip side of that is civilian law enforcement also draws in the sadists who were drawn to the military, and for all the same reasons. If someone is really badly shook up from their time in the military that could also cause big problems for them as a cop. But the ones who manage to do their tour(s) and keep it together, yeah, they will probably make great cops. Most of our military operations in recent years have essentially been trying to police countries that don't want to police themselves, so they've already been doing the job more or less.

    Agreed 100% on the defunding. It boggles my mind when people react to these situations by calling for defunding the police. You will just end up with worse police officers on the whole, and all of them still carrying guns and a significant benefit of the doubt if they ever have to go to court over something done in the line of duty.

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