Originally Posted by
Matt Jackson
I still admire lots about libertarianism, such as sound money, non-interventionism, Propertarian law, etc. As a patriarchal nationalist-y type, I would actually love to live in Ancapistan. Then I realised the problem - libertarianism itself will not get you to Ancapistan. This is the reality.
There is no free market solution to the current problem. We cannot just "make our own CNN". We've been generally correct about the pandemic in this thread, and we could publish an irrefutable paper about masks being a lie - and guess what? Nobody would give a fuck because we have zero institutional power.
In my libertarian phase, I would fantasize about abolishing these corrupt, harmful institutions and then we'd be free. If only we could abolish the IRS, the CIA, FBI, CNN, etc. there would be peace. The vast majority of the herd (I'd say 80%+) cannot exist outside of the institutions, and the protection and fear of reprisal that they offer. The problem, then, is these institutions don't just go away if you legislate them away, or wish them away or just stop using them. They are like a gun.
Libertarians know an armed society is a polite society, but conversely a lot of libertarians don't understand that institutional power is a lot like a gun which if they themselves don't use, someone else will pick it up and use it against them - to control the normies into their thinking, and mould culture and society. You have to pick up these weapons and use them.
The left only has one principle - power. They have no principles about lying, or non-aggression, or sound money. There's a problem when our side is generally uninterested in institutional power, or when it has some institutional power - it chooses not use it to its fullest to absolutely crush its enemies. Because, principles. The left has no problem with using institutional power to crush its enemies, and that's why its dominating.
While the centre-right as been doing principles ("Hey, if they're not harming ME they can do what they want..."), the left has been busily (and peacefully) working away, creating peaceful little news organisations such as CNN... a peaceful little advocacy group... a peaceful NGO... peacefully importing 10 million refugees... and before you know it, they've held YOU to YOUR principles and not operated by them themselves. They have lied. They have obfuscated. And then before you know it - BOOM. They've taken over, and the conservative and libertarian right has absolutely no idea how to deal with them. Apart from moving out to the sticks, going off-grid and commenting about the hypocrisy of it all.
While the left continues to import immigrants who overwhelmingly vote left, both the conservative centre-right and libertarian right, and their autistic adherence to their principles, only leads the nation further away their own ideals, and is ultimately speeding up its demise.
George, one thing I've realised when talking to libertarians is that, while some aspects might madden you (and you'll have more luck red-pilling a standard college leftist than a die-hard free-market zealot), you should keep in mind they are adjacent allies. We both hate what the current system of government is doing - and realise 90% of their actions are actively harming the people. We both basically just want law and order. Talk to them and encourage them to strengthen their arguments - don't burn these bridges.