COVID19 Factors We Should Consider/Current Events

[Kitsuma]

...it does not account for those who had CV-19 but are still suffering from the long term effects of this disease. You may well survive, but at what cost physically?

Would the long-term effects of covid be reduced or perhaps eliminated for the great majority if they had been treated early with various forbidden therapies?

Does this ongoing debate disappear if humanity winds back time and introduces early therapies globally?

Why not introduce them now instead of forcing vaccination? Why are we debating "the vaccine" at all?

[Mark Rippetoe]

It appeared to be a pretty straightforward inference from your quoting the survival rates then saying anything you do about such a thing is silly. If your (and others) position is that the Govt should never intervene in public health 'emergencies' then that is fine and clear - is that really what you are saying, noting there are a whole range of possible low-level interventions that could be considered? Or are you saying that this particular response has been so "utterly fucked up" that it could never be justified? Or are you saying something else?

You asked about the interventions that have been taken. They were wrong and criminal, designed for the benefit of the government and pharm companies. There are obviously better public health measures than those that were taken, and they should have been taken.

[Mark Le Comte]

You asked about the interventions that have been taken. They were wrong and criminal, designed for the benefit of the government and pharm companies. There are obviously better public health measures than those that were taken, and they should have been taken.

Thanks for the clarification. Agreed there were better options available, and many actions actually taken that were dubious. IMO, sub-optimising is often the risk with any specialised field i.e. attempting to solve one problem exactly without enough consideration of the wider implications. Even well-intentioned experts suffer from this, IMO partially because they are biased about the relative importance of their field.

Just to be clear, theoretically do you support that there could be a public health emergency (say bubonic plague or ebola) where it would be appropriate for the government to intervene with a lockdown order? Or would this type of response fall under personal responsibility, i.e. if it is dangerous enough for the govt to lock people down they would be doing it already for their own safety?

Sorry if I'm being pedantic and arguing as a devil's advocate on a number of issues, I'm genuinely interested in understanding the more 'american right wing' viewpoint and there are very few people to discuss that with in New Zealand.

[wal]

Would the long-term effects of covid be reduced or perhaps eliminated for the great majority if they had been treated early with various forbidden therapies?

Does this ongoing debate disappear if humanity winds back time and introduces early therapies globally?

Why not introduce them now instead of forcing vaccination? Why are we debating "the vaccine" at all?

I have no idea. My Gran use to prescribe a teaspoon of sugar with a drop of kerosene for colds, it might have worked who knows, but I am still alive. I have used home therapies in India such as buffalo milk with pepper for a sore throat and turmeric seems to be the cure-all these days, but there is a lot of quackery on the net and sometimes the most difficult option is the best.

As I have already stated I have been vaccinated for just about most diseases and was mass vaccinated against polio in the polio epidemic back in the 1960's, except in those days there was no social media and not many "experts" about with alternative therapies.

[Mark Rippetoe]

Just to be clear, theoretically do you support that there could be a public health emergency (say bubonic plague or ebola) where it would be appropriate for the government to intervene with a lockdown order?

What kind of a fool would lock the healthy members of a population in their homes, away from productive work, for months at a time, for a disease with an IFR of essentially ZERO? We quarantine the sick, not the healthy. You're just incapable of thinking past the propaganda, because they've done a good job.

[Kitsuma]

I have no idea. My Gran use to prescribe a teaspoon of sugar with a drop of kerosene for colds, it might have worked who knows, but I am still alive. I have used home therapies in India such as buffalo milk with pepper for a sore throat and turmeric seems to be the cure-all these days, but there is a lot of quackery on the net and sometimes the most difficult option is the best.

As I have already stated I have been vaccinated for just about most diseases and was mass vaccinated against polio in the polio epidemic back in the 1960's, except in those days there was no social media and not many "experts" about with alternative therapies.

I'm sorry, Wal, but I just can't follow your logic. There's a disconnect somewhere. Have you really studied the situation?

We know early treatment would have made a HUGE difference. We'd be in a completely different universe now if early treatment therapies had been embraced. Instead, they sent people home without treatment to allow the virus to complete its replication phase; damage done.

Why?

[Mark Rippetoe]

I mean, we knew about ivermectin in March or April of 2020, when I started writing about it, and these criminal fucks still won't admit that it's a very effective treatment. Why? People are dead because of this, and they don't care. The motherfuckers stood there and watched old unhealthy people die when they could have done something about it. But they didn't. Why?

[wal]

What kind of a fool would lock the healthy members of a population in their homes, away from productive work, for months at a time, for a disease with an IFR of essentially ZERO? We quarantine the sick, not the healthy. You're just incapable of thinking past the propaganda, because they've done a good job.

That is precisely what is going to happen to the un-vaccinated as they will be considered potential covid carriers. The reason that you and me survived the polio pandemic was due to our parents getting us vaccinated. There was no question whether you wanted it or not you just got it plus a vaccination certificate.

Preventing Polio | Smithsonian Institution

"In the face of uncontrolled infection, Americans did the only thing they knew to do under the circumstances, Conis says, “which is basically what we’re doing now: isolating, closing churches, cancelling festivals and parties, closing parks.” Informational pamphlets from that period published by the likes of Lysol and MetLife urged children to stay away from basically anything fun—movie theaters, beaches, pools, and public transit. Newspapers warned families not to eat outdoors. High schools held graduation over the radio.

Like this spring and summer, it was a tough and lonely season. “If people remember anything from the late 1940s, it’s often that as a child, you were hot, you were bored, but your parents wouldn’t let you out of the house to play with your friends,” Rogers says. That’s because, she adds, it was impossible to identify who might be contagious and give a child polio. “In a lot of ways, it does look like today.”

What polio in post-WWII America can teach us about living in a pandemic | NOVA | PBS

Have you really studied the situation?

I try, but as I said before there is so much information available about effective treatments for covid it boggles the mind. There is also just as much information for the prevention of covid where effective treatments are not required one being isolation and vaccination. We live in a broken world and there is a lot of deception out there. I try to look at both sides of the argument and see where the truth lies. My experience is that I have already been in one pandemic back in the 60's and I was vaccinated against it and that was polio, it has since been eradicated in most parts of the world. You could not give in those days a treatment for children with polio except braces and an iron lung.

As I told Mark I spent plenty of time in India and I saw plenty of diseases there, some of which I was vaccinated for, for mosquitos you just had to wear mosquito repellent and and sleep under a net. Others such as waterborne diseases I had to boil the water or add chlorine tablets, only eat cooked food, that was the prevention, but just in case I got the runs I carried anti diarrhea medication. I just look at covid as another disease to protect myself from except it is in my back yard now and not over there.

[Matt Jackson]

I mean, we knew about ivermectin in March or April of 2020, when I started writing about it, and these criminal fucks still won't admit that it's a very effective treatment. Why? People are dead because of this, and they don't care. The motherfuckers stood there and watched old unhealthy people die when they could have done something about it. But they didn't. Why?

Because Ivermectin is about 6c per dose I believe, and has been patented for years. Big pharma can't make any profit out of that, so brand new vaccines and pills are cooked up and milked for the next 20 years.

[bobman]

Sorry if I'm being pedantic and arguing as a devil's advocate on a number of issues, I'm genuinely interested in understanding the more 'american right wing' viewpoint and there are very few people to discuss that with in New Zealand.

What is incorrectly characterized as “right wing” is an appreciation for freedom and our constitution as written. Common sense handed down through the ages.

Mark’s not right wing and the rest of the developed world has no understanding of freedom having surrendered freedom in exchange for perceived security.

So they jealously label conservative people with terms like “ right wing” as they look down the noses of the subjects they’ve let themselves become.