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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    That's a pretty tortuous argument.
    Agreed. but it’s the only one that would make any sense if you were going to accuse them of doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Harlin View Post
    The most plausible argument that Russia did it that I can think of would be to frame the US. This would be a lay-up since you have the President on record threatening to stop the pipeline and everyone seems to agree that the US has the strongest motive to do so. So then the question is what would Russia’s motive be to frame the US? Drive a wedge between Allis? maybe something else? I’m not saying that’s what I think happened, just a thought that occurred to me.
    You then have to ask which scenario is more likely:
    1. Did the Russians suddenly decide to commit a false-flag attack, choosing to throw away the guaranteed income and large amount of leverage the pipelines provided in exchange for the very small chance that they might be able to turn trusted allies against each other and completely destabilize opposing nations?
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    2. Did the US do what it has been known to do for decades?

    There is also a very real possibility a third party, like China or Turkey, that benefits from the conflict between its two main rivals would conduct such an attack.

    We should be able to tell by the US response to the incident in the next few weeks; if they conduct a propaganda campaign to blame Russia, the US either carried out the attack or was complicit in the attack.
    If not, the possibility that it was conducted by a third party may be highest.

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    The original post from 2300 pages and almost 3 years ago:

    https://archive.ph/Pky7l Ironically enough it has been memory holed.

    It's main claim was that the system itself produced covid, if it wasn't covid it would be something else.

    In hindsight I can only agree. "Single payer also means single buyer" I've never heard that phrase before but damn that's prescient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    How would cutting off their own ability to export gas benefit the Russian business class?
    It would hurt a part of the business class. There is a general idea that there are two main camps in Russia - the military industrial security complex and the “liberals”, i.e. the energy and banking class which is highly dependent on doing business with Europe. The idea is that while the former are behind the war, the latter want to end it and go back to business as usual. A forceful disconnection of pipelines would turn the scales.

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    I stopped reading this bloke when he went full covid retard, but he appears to have come back to what he knows best - whodunnit, gas pipelines

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    Nice headline, from January of this year: State Dept vows Nord Stream 2 will be a 'hunk of metal at bottom of the ocean' if Russia invades Ukraine

    Even if the US runs with the "Putin did it" story, shouldn't they be thanking him for footing the bill on keeping their own promises? Why was this even a threat in the first place, if it helps the dastardly Putin?

    Seems to me O'Brien is holding up his fingers again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yngvi View Post
    You then have to ask which scenario is more likely:
    1. Did the Russians suddenly decide to commit a false-flag attack, choosing to throw away the guaranteed income and large amount of leverage the pipelines provided in exchange for the very small chance that they might be able to turn trusted allies against each other and completely destabilize opposing nations?
    or
    2. Did the US do what it has been known to do for decades?
    That sums it up nicely. And everybody with a microphone said we would do it -- out loud, on the record, in front of God and everybody.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yngvi View Post
    There is also a very real possibility a third party, like China or Turkey, that benefits from the conflict between its two main rivals would conduct such an attack.
    Was either China or Turkey operating in the area within the week preceding the attack? We were.

    Quote Originally Posted by Subby View Post
    There's still he Nordstream 1 pipeline,
    Reports said that both 1 and 2 were destroyed. You have other info?

    As Tucker mentioned the other night, what if Russia decides to cut the trans-Atlantic internet cables? That would be kind of bad, right? Might that be viewed as an Act of War by these incompetent imbeciles in the administration? Then Bill Kristol and John Bolton gets their war -- the one they don't have to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ads View Post
    I stopped reading this bloke when he went full covid retard, but he appears to have come back to what he knows best - whodunnit, gas pipelines
    This is damned interesting.

    Russia has no motive to destroy the pipelines it owns. These are valuable, long term assets and the gas that escaped from them yesterday was on its own worth some $600 to $800 million.

    A pipeline that could be turned off and on again was a leverage point for Russia that gave it some negotiation power. A destroyed pipeline gives Russia no leverage. This is truly elementary. One can not spin that away.

    During the war in Ukraine Russia has not stopped to deliver gas to Europe as contractually agreed. Instead European countries, Poland, Ukraine and Germany have blocked overland and sub sea pipelines that brought gas to Germany.

    German people have protested against the U.S. ordered shut down of the Nord Stream II pipeline. (Nord Stream I was recently offline because Siemens was prevented by sanctions from maintaining its compressor turbines.)

    RadioGenova @RadioGenova - 18:02 UTC · Sep 26, 2022
    Thousands of people in Gera in Germany against Olaf Scholz's policy and the explosion of energy and gas prices. They demand an end to sanctions on Russia and the reopening of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Demonstrations also in other German cities but EU media censors them.
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    A day after the protests the pipelines were sabotaged:

    AZ @AZmilitary1 - 12:51 UTC · Sep 27, 2022
    HERE IT IS
    Footage from the site of a gas leak on the underwater section of the Nord Stream.
    The video was published by the Danish military.
    Earlier, the Kremlin said that it was most likely about sabotage.
    The same opinion was expressed in the German government.
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    Yesterday's attack on the Nord Stream system is not unprecedented:

    professional hog groomer @bidetmarxman - 15:51 UTC · Sep 27, 2022
    In 2015, the annual routine underwater survey of the Nord Stream 1 pipelines came across a remote operated vehicle rigged with explosives right next to one of the lines in Swedish waters.
    The umbilical cable had been cut. The drone’s national origin was never disclosed. ��

    In 2015 Pipeline Journal reported:

    [T]he Swedish military has successfully cleared a remote operated vehicle (drone) rigged with explosives found near Line 2 of the Nord Stream Natural Gas offshore pipeline system.
    The vehicle was discovered during a routine survey operation as part of the annual integrity assessment of the Nord Stream pipeline. Since it was within the Swedish Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) approximately 120 km away from the island of Gotland, the Swedes called on their armed forces to remove and ultimately disarm the object.
    ...
    The national identity of the drone has not been verified so far, as many countries use Unmanned Underwater Vehicles (UUVs) of a similar construction, [Jesper Stolpe, Swedish Armed Forces spokesman,] said.

    To destroy a sub sea pipeline requires more than a ROV/drone delivered shaped charge.

    Javier Blas @JavierBlas - 15:18 UTC · Sep 27, 2022
    How strong is a Nord Stream pipe? Quite!
    The steel pipe itself has a wall of 4.1 centimeters (1.6 inches), and it's coated with another 6-11 cm of steel-reinforced concrete. Each section of the pipe weighs 11 tonnes, which goes to 24-25 tonnes after the concrete is applied.

    It wasn't earthquakes that destroyed the pipelines. These were several well targeted and massive explosions:

    A Swedish seismologist said on Tuesday he was certain the seismic activity detected at the site of the Nord Stream pipeline gas leaks in the Baltic Sea was caused by explosions and not earthquakes nor landslides.
    Bjorn Lund, seismologist at the Swedish National Seismic Network at Uppsala University, said seismic data gathered by him and Nordic colleagues showed that the explosions took place in the water and not in the rock under the seabed.

    The targeted explosions were not small:

    Dagny Taggart @DagnyTaggart963 - 15:56 UTC · Sep 27, 2022
    Swedish seismologists from Lund University noted that "at least 100 kg of TNT (perhaps more) were used to destroy the pipelines."
    Read it all.

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