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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiva Kaul View Post
    Wide sumo stances, with the hips very close to the bar, can cause lifters to fall backwards.
    Good point. Has anyone ever seen a conventional deadlift fall over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Good point. Has anyone ever seen a conventional deadlift fall over?
    No, because I was on the inside of it. Once, I leaned back too far and fell over like a monolith. It was PR level. My hands gripped the bar tighter rather than letting go, at least most of the way down. It was a strange feeling falling as if I weighed 400+ lbs. No significant control, just merciless gravity. Grip broke loose in about the second half of the fall, and the bar "sorta" rolled/scraped down my lower legs. Pain. A bench was behind me, so I "kinda" caught myself/landed on that. The fibula and tibia deserved hazard pay that day.

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    Both times I fell I was lifting conventional. Sumo always felt unnatural to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    In your personal experience, how many times have you see this happen? I went to my first meet in 1978, and I haven't ever seen it happen.
    I've never seen it before myself either. But I did see a guy on youtube bounce his head off a dumbbell rack after a max pull deadlift

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Good point. Has anyone ever seen a conventional deadlift fall over?
    yes.

    0:48. 2:30. 3:20. 3:38. 4:45.



    Sure, a few of those (not all) has to do with the "histrionics".
    But I've seen that behavior at SS meets as well (the yelling stuff).


    Here, at your meet in your gym.
    This guy almost passes out.
    He's basically out on his feet really (almost runs over the kids walking off the platform).
    Around 7h:01m



    The rear spotter is not a bad idea.
    If a guy faints, forward, backward, sideways, sumo, yelling, etc. it doesn't matter.
    ...cracks his head or some plates or the floor now you got blood that's got to be cleaned up, etc.

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    Almost? If the guy faints forward or sideways, what does the guy standing behind do except watch?

    What function do you see yourself performing here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Almost? If the guy faints forward or sideways, what does the guy standing behind do except watch?

    What function do you see yourself performing here?
    You are purposely being obtuse.

    He is "behind" as not to be in the way of anything or be a distraction ... the lifter's view, judge's view, the audience's view.
    Its his job to watch for fainting; I'd imagine once he sees the guy stumbling around for a brief moment, he can't take a couple of steps forward and at least control his fall into floor. A lot of lifters will stand there and "fight" the fainting, the problem with that is you fall over like a tall tree.
    A spotter can just ease him down in a crumple-in-place-motion and protect his head. You don't have to "catch" their entire body; just protect the head.

    The top video in my previous post:

    - A lot like what happens at 1:58.

    - At 2:54? happens suddenly right? a guy to the rear would've been standing right there.

    - 3:20, there's enough time for an official to come in from stage left there...but a tad late.
    A guy to the rear would've worked on that one.

    - 3:46 a rear spotter could not have been in a better location.

    - @ the 4:00 mark, that guy was quick to see that dude was out on his feet.

    - 4:24 if they had been directly behind, they would've got to him sooner.

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    Okay Fulcrum. You win again.

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    Hurling fell over twice so it must be a thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UberBabs View Post
    Hurling fell over twice so it must be a thing!
    Yeah, but I'm old, so . . .

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