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    Bryson DeChambeau before and after body transformation sees golf star gain 20kg of muscle and hit monster drives – The Sun

    As we all know, Rip and Starting Strength are years ahead of the curve. The guy adds muscle by increasing strength and low and behold - becomes the longest driver on tour, wins a Major, bullies golf courses and gets labelled as the man who is now “breaking golf”. Love it.

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    Even doing it wrong works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Even doing it wrong works.
    Yes his programming sucked. Just imagine what he could do with SS! At least golf has its first Beast of sorts however and showcases the merits of muscle in a sport (game) riddled with soy boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin UK View Post
    Yes his programming sucked. Just imagine what he could do with SS! At least golf has its first Beast of sorts however and showcases the merits of muscle in a sport (game) riddled with soy boys.
    Not really. Tiger worked his ass off and transformed his body and was often accused of taking steroids. There are many others as well. Bryson is just getting attention because he did it rather quickly.

    But golf is primarily a game of skill not simply strength. Of course being stronger is useful but there have been many past pros who have sought distance and who could lift heavy weights and it didn't help. Just because you are stronger doesn't mean you will be better, or hit the ball further btw. Ask Sir Nick Faldo......

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    Tiger Woods would not have been as good if he was less strong. Nick Faldo would have been even better if he was stronger. Strength = force production against external resistance. Physics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougBriggs View Post
    Not really. Tiger worked his ass off and transformed his body and was often accused of taking steroids. There are many others as well. Bryson is just getting attention because he did it rather quickly.

    But golf is primarily a game of skill not simply strength. Of course being stronger is useful but there have been many past pros who have sought distance and who could lift heavy weights and it didn't help. Just because you are stronger doesn't mean you will be better, or hit the ball further btw. Ask Sir Nick Faldo......
    Strength makes it easier to be accurate. Gedanken: heavy rifle vs. light rifle. Heavy v. Light is relative to your strength.

    Those strong golfers likely had other problems besides weakness. Fix those problems, and they’d hit further with more strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougBriggs View Post
    Not really. Tiger worked his ass off and transformed his body and was often accused of taking steroids.
    This is what golfers who don't train for strength always say.

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    Barbell training for strength has never been tried in golf. Golfers are incredible athletes (just ask an NBA hall of famer like Jordan or Charles Barkley), but golfers are not strong.

    Of course, being strong won't make a golfer great (no kidding), but this really is not complicated.

    Three of the current top 12, Dustin Johnson, Brooks Koepka and the aforementioned Bryson DeChambeau, are the most ripped-looking, longest-hitting, successful golfers on tour. They've won 7 majors in the last five years, and Brooks and DJ are the only repeat winners over that period. All three of them are way up there in the rankings for driving distance.

    But even those top guys are not strong! I advise you not to look at their workout videos or articles. They all lift, but it's the same nonsense that you see in every other sport ("functional" training, trapbars, medicine balls, cardio, etc.). They all talk about their numbers, but they are low--if they could deadlift 500x1 you would have heard about it.

    Let's not even get started on the claim that Steph Curry's 400lb trapbar deadlift was the second-highest on the Warriors.

    Putting, staying in the fairway, mental toughness and course vision are all critical. But seriously, there's no question that out-driving the competition makes the game easier. It's a confidence booster, you get better angles at the pin, your second shot is shorter, etc.--there are a million benefits. No golfer ever said that they wished they'd been weaker during their round out on the course. But if you can't get football coaches to take a sensible approach to strength training, it's not going to happen in golf either.

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    My golf game has seen a lot of benefits from starting strength— I hit it farther, I’m sturdier on uneven stances, and my grip is much stronger for hitting out of thick grass.

    One thing I realized recently— a huge benefit for golfers from reading the blue book is the introduction of the term “anthropometry.” Pros with very different looking swings all exhibit similar characteristics at the impact position.

    The blue book explains clearly why two lifters of the same height can have different back angles in the squat but still be in the correct position- different anthropometry.

    NO ONE in golf instruction is using this terminology. I think it could be a huge “aha” moment for swing analysis. Too many people are trying to copy pros’ swings with different body proportions. Brandel Chamblee seems closest to discovering this with his swing comparisons, but I haven’t seen this concept better articulated anywhere than the blue book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
    One thing I realized recently— a huge benefit for golfers from reading the blue book is the introduction of the term “anthropometry.” Pros with very different looking swings all exhibit similar characteristics at the impact position. . . . NO ONE in golf instruction is using this terminology.
    It may be true that no one in golf is using the term "anthropometry", but there's one guy who understands it:

    Bryson DeChambeau!

    All his irons are identical (same length, weight, etc.), except for loft. His individual anthropometry determines the optimal club characteristics, and he then uses the exact same swing for every one of these clubs, instead of 10 slightly varying swings for 10 different length irons and wedges (his driver is longer).

    For most pros, all those clubs are different lengths (1-iron the longest, sand wedge the shortest). This is so that the longer clubs have more club head speed (along with less loft) and generate more distance. But, this means the swing (angles, set-up, etc.) is different for each club.

    Bryson supposedly majored in physics, so he probably knows that he is trading a little distance (because of the shorter club lengths) for swing repeatability. Seems like a good trade, but it gets even better if you add back distance by lifting some weights and putting on muscle, as Bryson has done!

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