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    Why did the NFL topic send the conspiracy theorist witch hunter into a mad frenzy?
    Regardless, we all know if you question Fauci, you deny science itself; questioning the authorities can only be the product of black magic witchcraft from those evil conspiracy theorists witches.
    Inflation is transitory.
    Two more weeks.
    There will be no mandates.
    If you remember these lies, you are a witch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Wrong thread. We're talking about football injuries here.
    Most of that shit seems related to heart, neural, and brain issues. Not torn acls and ankle sprains. Torn acls and ankle sprains and the like are due to shit strength and conditioning programs in pro sports (Rip talks about this a lot) and a lot of differences in the style/pace of games and the turf.

    Also guys used to play through shit back in the day. An older gent I know played college ball in the 70s for a D2 school, and in their championship game, he played through 2 broken hamate bones, an ankle sprain, a knee sprain, and a ”tight” hamstring. Find me a guy who will do that now. Players didn’t sit out games with concussions either at that time. Just a fact, not saying it was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Watching Football: Something Weird Is Going On – PJ Media

    Two things are happening:
    1. The league requiring vaccinations
    2. "Functional Training"

    Not really that hard to understand.

    I stopped reading the article when its started talking about the covid vaccine.
    The injury thing is multifactorial.
    For about the last 10-15 years (long before covid), people have been noticing the injury rate getting worse and worse....long before covid, or the vaccine.

    IMO....
    1- The players we have now are faster than ever. There's been nothing like this before. 260# DE's running 4.55 40's, etc.
    Players in the 80's were laughably slow compared to athletes we have today....league wide. Not the stars so much, but everyone league wide.
    They (coaches, owners, people doing the drafting, etc) value physical metrics way too much (40 time, shuttle time, SVJ, etc).
    High performance vehicles are going to break down more, period.
    Slow/unexplosive people typically don't tear hamstrings, Achilles, etc (or very much, or as much as high performance athletes).

    2- Over the last 20 years, the agile/running quarterback in the NFL has become much more acceptable and prevalent.
    Thats a key position thats going to take abuse and get knocked out of the game, or, blow up an ACL trying to make a cut in a sprint downfield.
    That's huge injury to a key player that derails a season, and it really sticks in everyones mind when it happens.
    That stuff doesn't happen with Marino, Rothlesburger, Elway, Manning, Brady type QBs..... sure they might get sacked more, get concussed, etc.
    But the other injuries: no. Those tall, dopey, white-guy types could probably finish the season with a tore ACL (or insert another leg injury) if push came to shove....just waddling around in the pocket throwing the ball, etc.

    3- Also, these track-sprinters-wearing-shoulder-pads, are naturally more prone to injury....especially due to the way they are mishandled / mismanaged in practice.
    I'm sure the view on this board will be they don't lift weights enough, or heavy enough weights ... and that might be true to an small extent.
    But worse than that, they baby the athletes (fear of injury in practice) by not letting them get up to top speed very often in practice (WRs, DBs, RBs, and yes lineman).
    So their muscles, "soft tissues", tendons, are not conditioned for "it" when they have to hit top speeds (s) and/or hard cuts in a game.
    Pop goes the hammy, groin, Achilles, etc when the need for speed arises in a game.
    There is a more recent movement is S&C circles about "letting" the athletes get up to top speed more frequently in practice/in-season to sort of inoculate the muscles and tendons against tears or injury. Max velocity sprinting, but a very low dose of it (volume), but still somewhat frequent. If you bounced this off of an NFL S&C, they normally would freak out because if the athlete pulled a hammy in practice (this is the same argument with heavy squats in season) they'd be in deep doo-doo with the team owner or head coach. It hasn't really caught on in the NFL .... more of a D2 college thing right now. Some trials with it with team sports has shown promise. Teams are going entire seasons with no hamstring tears. Track sprinters rarely tear hamstrings actually, but if you want find out how to break a track sprinter, baby him for a week and then tell him to go all out one day on the fly.

    4- Also, there is some who suspect playing surfaces, and the fact the athletes going from artificial turf, to grass, to art.turf might be contributing to non-contact ACL tears. The mix match of the the different surfaces seems to be causing injuries....or that's the theory. The athletes are better off sticking to one consistent surface throughout the season. I bet in 10-15 years every NFL field will have the same exact type of artificial turf, it will be NFL-wide/franchise requirement.

    lol at "vaccine".

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    94.1 percent of NFL players are vaccinated
    But are they boosted? How many times?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farmer View Post
    lol at "vaccine".
    I follow Dr Haider's facebook group where he treats mRNA vax injured people. LOL all you want; the vax induced health issues are real. The probabilities of "injury" seem to increase with each booster.

    And let's not discount the trend of athletes going vegetarian and other eating disorders: The Game Changers - a revolutionary new film about meat, protein and strength. It's very effective, star-studded vegan propaganda.

    Cam Newton is an example of an NFL athlete that suffered repeated injuries and long recoveries after going vegetarian:

    Cam Newton Sucks & Diet Experts Blame Veganism
    Cam Newton's vegan diet blamed for struggles: Can the Panthers force a change?

    If I were a rich man, I'd buy a team and require all players to be non-vaxxed and meat, milk & potato eaters on a real strength program. It'd be an interesting experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmer View Post
    I stopped reading the article when its started talking about the covid vaccine.
    The injury thing is multifactorial.
    For about the last 10-15 years (long before covid), people have been noticing the injury rate getting worse and worse....long before covid, or the vaccine.

    IMO....
    1- The players we have now are faster than ever. There's been nothing like this before. 260# DE's running 4.55 40's, etc.
    Players in the 80's were laughably slow compared to athletes we have today....league wide. Not the stars so much, but everyone league wide.
    They (coaches, owners, people doing the drafting, etc) value physical metrics way too much (40 time, shuttle time, SVJ, etc).
    High performance vehicles are going to break down more, period.
    Slow/unexplosive people typically don't tear hamstrings, Achilles, etc (or very much, or as much as high performance athletes).

    2- Over the last 20 years, the agile/running quarterback in the NFL has become much more acceptable and prevalent.
    Thats a key position thats going to take abuse and get knocked out of the game, or, blow up an ACL trying to make a cut in a sprint downfield.
    That's huge injury to a key player that derails a season, and it really sticks in everyones mind when it happens.
    That stuff doesn't happen with Marino, Rothlesburger, Elway, Manning, Brady type QBs..... sure they might get sacked more, get concussed, etc.
    But the other injuries: no. Those tall, dopey, white-guy types could probably finish the season with a tore ACL (or insert another leg injury) if push came to shove....just waddling around in the pocket throwing the ball, etc.

    3- Also, these track-sprinters-wearing-shoulder-pads, are naturally more prone to injury....especially due to the way they are mishandled / mismanaged in practice.
    I'm sure the view on this board will be they don't lift weights enough, or heavy enough weights ... and that might be true to an small extent.
    But worse than that, they baby the athletes (fear of injury in practice) by not letting them get up to top speed very often in practice (WRs, DBs, RBs, and yes lineman).
    So their muscles, "soft tissues", tendons, are not conditioned for "it" when they have to hit top speeds (s) and/or hard cuts in a game.
    Pop goes the hammy, groin, Achilles, etc when the need for speed arises in a game.
    There is a more recent movement is S&C circles about "letting" the athletes get up to top speed more frequently in practice/in-season to sort of inoculate the muscles and tendons against tears or injury. Max velocity sprinting, but a very low dose of it (volume), but still somewhat frequent. If you bounced this off of an NFL S&C, they normally would freak out because if the athlete pulled a hammy in practice (this is the same argument with heavy squats in season) they'd be in deep doo-doo with the team owner or head coach. It hasn't really caught on in the NFL .... more of a D2 college thing right now. Some trials with it with team sports has shown promise. Teams are going entire seasons with no hamstring tears. Track sprinters rarely tear hamstrings actually, but if you want find out how to break a track sprinter, baby him for a week and then tell him to go all out one day on the fly.

    4- Also, there is some who suspect playing surfaces, and the fact the athletes going from artificial turf, to grass, to art.turf might be contributing to non-contact ACL tears. The mix match of the the different surfaces seems to be causing injuries....or that's the theory. The athletes are better off sticking to one consistent surface throughout the season. I bet in 10-15 years every NFL field will have the same exact type of artificial turf, it will be NFL-wide/franchise requirement.

    lol at "vaccine".
    I guess they're afraid of "destructive testing". But that needs to be balanced against "test as you fly". That too is unacceptable for expensive missions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsuma View Post
    94.1 percent of NFL players are vaccinated
    But are they boosted? How many times?

    I follow Dr Haider's facebook group where he treats mRNA vax injured people. LOL all you want; the vax induced health issues are real. The probabilities of "injury" seem to increase with each booster.
    Farmer must not be following the other thread. This is not debatable.

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    Damar Hamlin intubated, NFL suspends game, NFLPA releases statement

    It's nature's way of telling you something's wrong.

    Steve Kirsch's newsletter: Dr. Peter McCullough's take on the Hamlin injury

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    Vaccination = causation for injuries in the NFL? Somewhere in the depths of the internet there are graphs that equate the use of MS IE with all the social ills prevalent in society today. SMDH

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    Quote Originally Posted by david strecker View Post
    Vaccination = causation for injuries in the NFL? Somewhere in the depths of the internet there are graphs that equate the use of MS IE with all the social ills prevalent in society today. SMDH
    Had to look up the definition of SMDH: "SMDH means 'shaking my damn head.' Kids often use this acronym to express displeasure."

    Maybe a better way to look at it is.....mRNA vaccination + repeated boosters causes injuries in all humans. Since NFL football players are humans, it injures them too.

    Are you claiming that this use of mRNA technology is not causing injuries in humans?

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    I'd like to know what MS IE means.

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