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    There seems to be an irresistible mysterious attraction for most intermediates to give the Texas Method a try.

    I never fit into any of Rip's TM criteria: 20 year old unemployed living at home with unlimited food and opportunity to sleep. I am unemployed by choice (retired).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost and Found View Post
    There seems to be an irresistible mysterious attraction for most intermediates to give the Texas Method a try.

    I never fit into any of Rip's TM criteria: 20 year old unemployed living at home with unlimited food and opportunity to sleep. I am unemployed by choice (retired).
    It's the hard one, so they assume it's the one that yields the best results. It also has a cool name. I tried it myself for the same reasons. Very quickly found the three day method required me to structure it so volume day was on a weekend. That workout is so goddamn long. I was able to stick with one of the four day variants, but honestly some of the best results I've seen came from 4 day Heavy/Light programming, the one that gets the least amount of pages in the book. I fucked with it a bit, but when I ran it toward the end of last year my bench and press fucking blew up, and I didn't even get to the point where I was gonna cycle from 5s down to 3s. Should've kept going, but I had imposed a hard timetable that I was gonna drop weight starting in January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderFun View Post
    It's the hard one, so they assume it's the one that yields the best results. It also has a cool name. I tried it myself for the same reasons.
    Yeah - I get it. About half a lifetime ago, I tried 20-rep squats + breathing pullovers and other such stuff from a collection of 60's magazine articles, for the same reason. I'm thankful CrossFit wasn't around back then, or I'm sure I would have been hooked by that, too. More than once, I've done multiple drop sets and forced reps on the leg extension until I couldn't walk, thinking I was being hard... I was all about the challenge and the (mental) intensity, and thought that those methods were where it was at.

    Maybe I was hard, more likely I was stupid, but what I never got was strong.

    I'm in my fifties now, and just hit a PR squat at 485 last week, but it was not through TM or volume days, and it sure wasn't through high reps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Donaldson View Post
    Yeah - I get it. About half a lifetime ago, I tried 20-rep squats + breathing pullovers and other such stuff from a collection of 60's magazine articles, for the same reason. I'm thankful CrossFit wasn't around back then, or I'm sure I would have been hooked by that, too. More than once, I've done multiple drop sets and forced reps on the leg extension until I couldn't walk, thinking I was being hard... I was all about the challenge and the (mental) intensity, and thought that those methods were where it was at.

    Maybe I was hard, more likely I was stupid, but what I never got was strong.

    I'm in my fifties now, and just hit a PR squat at 485 last week, but it was not through TM or volume days, and it sure wasn't through high reps.
    The "just train and recover, bro" meme I saw a while ago is strangely one of the wisest bits of training advice I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderFun View Post
    The "just train and recover, bro" meme I saw a while ago is strangely one of the wisest bits of training advice I've ever seen.
    As long as it's read with the vital distinction between training and exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderFun View Post
    It's the hard one, so they assume it's the one that yields the best results. It also has a cool name. I tried it myself for the same reasons. Very quickly found the three day method required me to structure it so volume day was on a weekend. That workout is so goddamn long. I was able to stick with one of the four day variants, but honestly some of the best results I've seen came from 4 day Heavy/Light programming, the one that gets the least amount of pages in the book. I fucked with it a bit, but when I ran it toward the end of last year my bench and press fucking blew up, and I didn't even get to the point where I was gonna cycle from 5s down to 3s. Should've kept going, but I had imposed a hard timetable that I was gonna drop weight starting in January.
    I'll look at H/L for my next major training cycle. It's mentioned regularly on the Greysteel channel.

    As for why Texas method -- yes, it's a tough program for tough people, and who wants to be weak? I'm actually PISSED that I'm 55 and can't do what a 35 year old can do. Mentally, I feel like about 40, which I attribute largely to lifting. I kind of hate having to open the masters section or the masters book. I hate being offered seniors discounts and pretty much everything about this. I like this idea of compressed mortality and I'll lift as much as I can as long as I can.

    That said, for anyone discovering this thread, do NOT lift 3x8 for volume, in case it isn't 100% clear. I stopped, but I'm now dealing with my first back tweak, which is probably at least related to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmsyd View Post
    but I'm now dealing with my first back tweak, which is probably at least related to that.
    As someone who has dealt with back tweaks numerous times, I want to explain how I finally (knock on wood) stopped getting them.

    I stopped wearing flip flops. Weird right?
    I happened to read a post on the Westminster S&C IG page and Beau noted that his lifters seemed to tweak their backs when it got warm out and they started wearing flip flops. Something to do with the shortening of the calf muscle that was leading to the injury. IDK. All I do know is that I stopped wearing them as much and haven't tweaked my back since.

    I'm not sure if you wear them or not but I experienced the same issues Beaus lifters were dealing with.

    With respect to healing, here is the best way I figured out how to get through it. Train through it. Take two days off, reset quite a bit, work up to one set of five everyday until you get close to where you were when you got hurt. You'll be back to normal in 2 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmsyd View Post
    I'll look at H/L for my next major training cycle. It's mentioned regularly on the Greysteel channel.

    As for why Texas method -- yes, it's a tough program for tough people, and who wants to be weak? I'm actually PISSED that I'm 55 and can't do what a 35 year old can do. Mentally, I feel like about 40, which I attribute largely to lifting. I kind of hate having to open the masters section or the masters book. I hate being offered seniors discounts and pretty much everything about this. I like this idea of compressed mortality and I'll lift as much as I can as long as I can.

    That said, for anyone discovering this thread, do NOT lift 3x8 for volume, in case it isn't 100% clear. I stopped, but I'm now dealing with my first back tweak, which is probably at least related to that.
    It's not simply a masters thing. I'm 38, and 4 day H/L just works better for me. Don't beat yourself up over it. There are programs out there that will kick your ass even harder than the Texas Method ever could, and they will yield positive results for damn near no one. You shouldn't feel bad that you're not able to progress with them, you should feel happy that you don't need them to progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderFun View Post
    You shouldn't feel bad that you're not able to progress with them, you should feel happy that you don't need them to progress.
    And that right there sums up minimum effective dose vs. maximum tolerated dose.

    Well said, sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommanderFun View Post
    It's not simply a masters thing. I'm 38, and 4 day H/L just works better for me. Don't beat yourself up over it. There are programs out there that will kick your ass even harder than the Texas Method ever could, and they will yield positive results for damn near no one. You shouldn't feel bad that you're not able to progress with them, you should feel happy that you don't need them to progress.
    Are you talking about the one lift a day program in the gray book? If so I really like that one too

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