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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsonville View Post
    Iím stronger than you too, so sit down. The authority you guys speak with is laughable for how mediocre your lifts are.
    Dude, almost everyone is stronger than me. I get by on personality. The grey book does have examples of tapering for advanced lifters though. Iím telling you, itís good material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsonville View Post
    The authority you guys speak with is laughable for how mediocre your lifts are.
    Applies to you too. And equating lifts to knowledge is stupid. The reason most people are weak (you too, probably) is because they are unwilling to grind out the heavy sets.
    Even if they've deluded themselves into thinking they are one of the few that do try-hard by being a member of this board. Programming is secondary. Everyone fucks up SS despite its simplicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Gentlemen, knock it off.
    Sorry, but people who make blind appeals to authority really piss me off, and doubly so when they insert themselves into a conversation to try and muddy the subject and feel better about themselves. My original point still stands, no one should feel bad because they don't do well on a more "hardcore" program, and should pursue what works.

    As for the sausage man, you are essentially trying to flex on someone who likely has a form of Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. Do you feel good about yourself? Are you going to go taunt some paraplegics for having shitty squat numbers next?

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    Out of curiosity what are your lifts Johnsonville? Bodyweight/height?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asm44 View Post
    Applies to you too. And equating lifts to knowledge is stupid. The reason most people are weak (you too, probably) is because they are unwilling to grind out the heavy sets.
    Even if they've deluded themselves into thinking they are one of the few that do try-hard by being a member of this board. Programming is secondary. Everyone fucks up SS despite its simplicity.
    The difference is I’m not giving advice out as authority as these jackasses are. I agree with you, and I got to 435 5x3 on an lp at 200lbs, so I do know about grinding. I also got strong not grinding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Larousse View Post
    Out of curiosity what are your lifts Johnsonville? Bodyweight/height?
    6’ now 220, best lifts are around 200.
    Currently pressed 185 for a single, felt pretty hard I probably don’t have any left for that. I’ve done 205 after compressed Texas method two years ago. Deadlift upper 400s once every two weeks ramping up on six singles, pr is 505. I don’t bench and best squats were my lp years ago 435 5x3 as a 24 year old.

    I’ve been petty and will drop it. I’m not trying to give any advice, nor do I think I am qualified to. But neither are a lot of these hero’s on here either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsonville View Post
    The difference is I’m not giving advice out as authority as these jackasses are. I agree with you, and I got to 435 5x3 on an lp at 200lbs, so I do know about grinding. I also got strong not grinding.


    6’ now 220, best lifts are around 200.
    Currently pressed 185 for a single, felt pretty hard I probably don’t have any left for that. I’ve done 205 after compressed Texas method two years ago. Deadlift upper 400s once every two weeks ramping up on six singles, pr is 505. I don’t bench and best squats were my lp years ago 435 5x3 as a 24 year old.

    I’ve been petty and will drop it. I’m not trying to give any advice, nor do I think I am qualified to. But neither are a lot of these hero’s on here either.
    You could have easily got to those numbers using programming models from the grey book as well. Iíve been at this a while now and I can tell you that rpe with light weights for a million sets, Sheiko, smolov, are incredible inefficient for us people with regular jobs. They are also a huge distraction for the majority of people that take this lifting journey. You will not find better practical programming away from this method and I can tell you that because Iíve tried them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Larousse View Post
    You could have easily got to those numbers using programming models from the grey book as well. I’ve been at this a while now and I can tell you that rpe with light weights for a million sets, Sheiko, smolov, are incredible inefficient for us people with regular jobs. They are also a huge distraction for the majority of people that take this lifting journey. You will not find better practical programming away from this method and I can tell you that because I’ve tried them all.
    I've actually found some value to RPE. I know, I am putting my newfound reputation as a blind follower of Mark Rippetoe at risk (though I also agree with his criticisms of it, it's not a very accurate measure). I just find I make the best progress when I limit my exposure to the heaviest grinds. When I work consistently with limit intensities for the sets/reps I'm doing, I generally don't go anywhere and with heavier lifts start to have chronic problems flare up or new acute ones appear, among other things. I don't really use it the same way a lot of the RPE programs out there do, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Larousse View Post
    You could have easily got to those numbers using programming models from the grey book as well. Iíve been at this a while now and I can tell you that rpe with light weights for a million sets, Sheiko, smolov, are incredible inefficient for us people with regular jobs. They are also a huge distraction for the majority of people that take this lifting journey. You will not find better practical programming away from this method and I can tell you that because Iíve tried them all.
    He did get to those numbers with the LP. And I don't know about Sheiko programs, but smolov is not an easy program with light weights. It's many heavy, low-rep sets. It's definitely a stupid fucking program, particularly when considering long term progress. People run it as a "peaking" program.

    I've met many strong people who are doing all percentage RPE work and do things like use only 10s until a few weeks out from competition, and have a variation for each "muscle weakness" they think they have. It doesn't make sense to me, but lots of these guys have been very strong. So the question is whether they're strong despite their programming or because of it.

    Either way, I think Rip just gets it right -- you know you've gotten stronger when you add 5lbs to the big lifts. That is still my main metric I use today and as a more advanced lifter, I still find that sets of 5 drive my progress more than anything else. I like the simplicity and there's a brutal honesty about training that way -- you either hit the set or you didn't.

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