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    Their definition of powerlifting made me chuckle. “Powerlifting is when you lift a certain amount of weight in one go.” I imagine the alternative would be blindfolded lifting where you lift an uncertain amount of weight.

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    This is The Media. Always remember that this is who they are, every time they tell you anything.

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    Meanwhile:

    Do the benefits of deadlifts and squats outweigh the risk of injury? | Peter Attia and Stuart McGill - YouTube

    Just in case your appetite for logical fallacy, mere assertion, inappropriate analogies, and self-importance hadn't been whetted yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon Sullivan View Post
    Meanwhile:

    Do the benefits of deadlifts and squats outweigh the risk of injury? | Peter Attia and Stuart McGill - YouTube

    Just in case your appetite for logical fallacy, mere assertion, inappropriate analogies, and self-importance hadn't been whetted yet.
    Yeah, they checked all the boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Yeah, they checked all the boxes.
    Whatever you do, DO NOT read the comments on that video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon Sullivan View Post
    Meanwhile:

    Do the benefits of deadlifts and squats outweigh the risk of injury? | Peter Attia and Stuart McGill - YouTube

    Just in case your appetite for logical fallacy, mere assertion, inappropriate analogies, and self-importance hadn't been whetted yet.
    What makes no sense to me is, why are we some of the last ones still on the high intensity compound lifts side? I honestly feel better the less I train and heavier I go, but it seems like everybody has jumped off that train. Marty G, Dan John, Wendler, are all now saying it’s fine to just do air squats or goblet squats, and hill sprints and sleds can replace lower body work. I even remember rip disagreeing with starr on this back in the day too. I’ll probably get roasted for even asking that, but it does cross my mind sometimes. On the other hand the logical explanation is that they are all advanced lifters and their training stress would be so high that maybe it isn’t feasible mentally or physically to pursue that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsonville View Post
    What makes no sense to me is, why are we some of the last ones still on the high intensity compound lifts side?
    You know why. Lifting is HARD. Ain't nobody got time for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsonville View Post
    I honestly feel better the less I train and heavier I go, but it seems like everybody has jumped off that train. Marty G, Dan John, Wendler, are all now saying it’s fine to just do air squats or goblet squats, and hill sprints and sleds can replace lower body work. I even remember rip disagreeing with starr on this back in the day too. I’ll probably get roasted for even asking that, but it does cross my mind sometimes. On the other hand the logical explanation is that they are all advanced lifters and their training stress would be so high that maybe it isn’t feasible mentally or physically to pursue that.
    You will take note that McGill repeatedly references the experience of powerlifters, not any sort of clinical experience with people training for general strength for health. The Horrors he's invoking here are not to be found in my own clinical experience or that of coaches working with the general population.

    I believe I shall have to get to work on a response video. Because I like pissing in the wind.

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    Isn't it fascinating that Starting Strength and Powerlifting Competition continue to be conflated? This is mere intellectual laziness, serving the purpose of attracting attention to themselves. And here we are, helping them, like idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon Sullivan View Post
    You know why. Lifting is HARD. Ain't nobody got time for that.
    Speaking of time, it's good to see you putting videos out again, Sully!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Isn't it fascinating that Starting Strength and Powerlifting Competition continue to be conflated? This is mere intellectual laziness, serving the purpose of attracting attention to themselves. And here we are, helping them, like idiots.
    That's not necessarily a bad thing, Rip. I've had many Attia videos recommended to me through the algorithms and had yet to watch one, for no particular reason. This thread gave me a reason and now I won't. Ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Isn't it fascinating that Starting Strength and Powerlifting Competition continue to be conflated? This is mere intellectual laziness, serving the purpose of attracting attention to themselves. And here we are, helping them, like idiots.
    Attia and McGill are out there, Rip, whether we rebut this nonsense or not. Calling bullshit is salutary.

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