When To Do the Lifts “Wrong” | Mark Rippetoe
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Sad that this is a necessary clarification, but it seems like its necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
I wouldn't classify it as sad. I'm sitting right in the middle of these thoughts in my head. I hurt my hip years ago and to this day it gets really easily irritated and the older I get (just turned 52) it easier it happens. I had a modest DL of 400 lb last year with my eyes set to 500 within a year....except my my hip just will not agree to it. But one doesn't want to be a wuss so you follow Rip's advice and keep at it....until it says FU!! Right now, I can't even get 300 lb off the floor without it screaming at me and me paying for it for days, sometimes to the point I then can't squat. I WANT to DL. I WANT to get to 500 but I am seriously thinking that injury isn't going to have it so I moved to rack pulls as they don't fuck up my hip and I can keep squatting too.Quote:
Originally Posted by FatButWeak
I personally thought it was a good article reminding us why we lift and what to do when you can't (not won't) do the program.
What's wrong with your hip?
With a straight bar, I have to front squat or SSB. I have had bilateral multiple shoulder dislocations, two surgeries, and I have dislocated it several times in the back squat position. Its just not worth it to risk the dislocation, so I front squat, which I dislike greatly. So I use a Safety Squat Bar most of the time. However, in the last 3 years I have trained people, I don't think I taught the front squat exclusively to anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
I might be wrong but it feels like a nagging injury was not really intended to fall under the exceptions permitted in the column.
Because I have a tiled floor in the garage I put a rubber pad under each plate, (I never told you this) about 1/14 inch thick, so technically for the dead lift I am getting a slight "rack pull" advantage. Am I cheating or are old guys in the later years of life allowed a few indiscretions over the strict dead lift procedure? Last year I got a 170Kg dead lift (nearly killed me) with these pads. Do you want me to go back and amend the records for those lifts and de-rate them by 10% or will you look the other way? If you allow this next time I am at the Falls I will shout you an Aussie burger.
You're shim is fine, wal.
Well in that case do you want the recipe for an Aussie burger in case I fail to show up in your fair city? One other thing 170 Kg dead lift at a body weight of 75kg and at 66 years old in your judgement is that a reasonable outcome for your Starting Strength training model?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
Not a bad deadlift at all, with your bodyweight being that low. Eat more hamburgers.
Mark it takes a lot of work to get to those kind of weights for me as would you know and truthfully I don't think I can keep up to that level of training (3 times a week at the moment). I get sore more often as I push myself self pretty hard. Fortunately I don't have any injuries, but my shoulders ache now and then and I kind of nod off when I am sitting in the chair in the afternoon. The spirit is willing but the body does not want to come along for the ride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
Hamburgers yes I have eaten my fair share, but not those things you folk call burgers. I will give you the format for an Aussie burger with the lot whether you want it or not.
1. A proper burger bun about 6 inches in dia. Not that cake bread you folk eat.
2. Lean beef prime mince, a heap it.
3. Eggs 1 or 2
4. Bacon, lots of it.
5. Beetroot slices
5. Slice of pineapple.
6. Lettuce
7.Tomato slices
8. Opinions.
9. Cheese slice maybe.
10. Salt and pepper.
BBQ the meat, eggs, bacon, pineapple slice. Toast the bread on the BBQ, butter the bread will real butter. Put it together and if you really must put on some BBQ sauce.
Warning! Do not put that mayonnaise abomination on it like MacDonalds otherwise it will taste like shit. All good?
Sounds... interesting. But I keep telling you, wal, it's "folks."
Is Wal is referring to a mass or a particular set of individuals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
word choice - Should it be folk or folks? - English Language & Usage Stack Exchange
Folk is a frozen plural. Folk in Old English means the "common people", the nation, tribe. Folks is the plural for the people of one's family, you know, the folks back home, my folks etc. When I refer to you "folk" I mean you of the nation of Texas or you folk of Wichita Falls, but who can blame you if you have stuffed up the English language somewhat, banished to that big block of land down south and isolated from the rest of the world,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
Anyhow after conversing with you about food and hamburgers in particular I had to drive 40k's today to get a real "boomtown" burger because my home town is filled with Big Macks and Hungry Jacks (Burger King). So there we have it Y,all.
Thanks for that speed run down memory lane, wal. Some 20 years ago, living in Exmouth, WA—every pub night, the Planet Burger trailer would park out on the pitch outside the pub. At closing time, the line would grow and my carry away was always "The Lot" (as described above) and a mess of chips. It sure seemed to solve the hangover issue, as the mornings after the nights that Planet Burger wasn't there always seemed to be a fair bit more painful.Quote:
Originally Posted by wal
Now when we describe it to Americans, they look at us like we have an arm growing out of our foreheads, especially when we mention the beetroot.
Cheers!
No worries Bill. Yep, beetroot, (do they grow that vegetable in the US?) the secret ingredient of a good hamburger. There was a time here when there was no fast food style places such as KFC, Macas or HJ's. But a lot of young kids today think a hamburger is a Big Mac or Wooper burger, how the times have changed. I remember when MacDonalds came here and I went and asked for a hamburger with the "lot" and I had to explain to them what a hamburger was, they still don't get it.
They sure do, although rarely will you find a place other than our kitchen that offers it on a hamburger.Quote:
Originally Posted by wal
I recall that most folks that would fly down to Perth would come back with eskies full of chilled offerings from those fast food chains (Hungry Jacks is "Burger King" here, as that name was already used in Oz when they tried to expand there), just because it was something different. Although after the first few bites, we'd agree that it wasn't as good as the local shops.
Well Hungry Jacks do make an "Aussie" burger, but the bread is so full sugar and untoasted with what looks like a microwaved egg and bacon that I bet is imported and a small piece of anemic looking beetroot. They also pump it full of that white sauce muck, bleh! I wonder what a Chilli dog is like? I bet the bun is not toasted and has no butter on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Anders
I have always wanted to go to the states especially down south and have a look around, but the food, and they drive on the wrong side of the road in cars that have the steering wheel on the girls side of the car. Then they have those rabid armadillos running around (Hoover hogs) which they BBQ. How would you know if you went to lunch somewhere they might serve you feral food?
No different than the fresh 'roo that may have ended up in the back of the ute on the way home.Quote:
Originally Posted by wal
Tried Roo once, very lean, but gamey taste I thought. If you see the worms in wild Roo meat it turns you off, I thinks dogs can eat it, but not good for humans if you ingest them. Some folk (folks for you Texas folk)here will tackle emu or crocodile. I think I will stick to the chew the cud and the split hoof meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Anders
Mayonnaise and nicely rendered beef fat, preferably very dry-aged, make a very nice combination, one that you might find on a hamburger and one that I would not find offensive.
Hmm, not the traditional formula for mayonnaise i.e. egg yolk and salad oil etc. Maybe your right, but not what you would be offered on an Australian style burger with the "lot".Quote:
Originally Posted by Satch12879
20+ years ago I sublocated it while water skiing. Since then sitting for more than about 1 hour starts to really irritate it. During the seminar I took with you a few years ago we talked about how having my stance as wide as you wanted it was actively painful and I had 'permission' to narrow it. That's the short of it. After a full start over last year after my crainectomy as soon as the weight starts to get into the upper 200s virtually any volume causes it to hurt....If you have suggestions I am listening! Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
Singles and triples. Or the surgery.
Triples are what I'm moving back too. A couple years ago Jordan Stanton suggested a HLM routine that on paper I thought would irritate my hip and didn't. L was 5 reps, M triples and H singles or doubles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
Surgery??
MRI? Diagnosis?
No, I mean, put mayo on a good burger. The beef fat mixes with the mayonnaise in a very delightful way. And the acid in the mayo cuts the fat.Quote:
Originally Posted by wal
