Isometrics - before or after weights?

[willhu12]

This is my first post here, so I'll try not to mess up.

I want to use isometrics in my routine with the end goals of:
* holding a planche for 1 minute
* holding an L-Sit for 1 minute
* holding a handstand for 1 minute

Would you train isometrics for this before or after weights?

EDIT: forgot to mention, I'm 14 and about 224lbs.

[Carnivroar]

Off days?

[willhu12]

Off days?

dont have enough time.

[Carlos Daniel]

dont have enough time.

I might be wrong, but if you do the program, these might just come naturally to you without training them specifically.

[LudwigVan]

I might be wrong, but if you do the program, these might just come naturally to you without training them specifically.

Was that your experience?

[Carlos Daniel]

Was that your experience?

Nope.
However, it makes sense that one would at least improve significantly on those things, since they rely on the c*re, which is thoroughly trained in the program. The handstand is hard probably because one has to stay upside down for a minute, but I don't see any way to "train" that.

The L-sit seems to depend a lot on hip flexor endurance, don't know how much that's trained in the program, so maybe I am wrong after all.

[Dastardly]

EDIT: forgot to mention, I'm 14 and about 224lbs.

WTF?

Pics or it never happened.


But I was wondering, why do you have these particular goals? Are you sure you know why you are doing them? Why not put that effort into your lifts or even incorporate barbell based isometric work like pressing against pins of the power rack. (thats what they were made for).

[willhu12]

I might be wrong, but if you do the program, these might just come naturally to you without training them specifically.

Maybe the handstand, but the L-sit and especially the planche require ridiuclous abdominal strenth which I would belive can only be trained by doing the speicific movement.

[dmd]

I might be wrong, but if you do the program, these might just come naturally to you without training them specifically.

I don't think this is the case. Overhead presses help some but they don't develop the wrist strength for the handstand. They don't develop the balance, either, and that's the hard part.

How do you train for a handstand? You try to do them a thousand times. It's very hard to get good at them.

Edit: willhu12, did you mean to say you are 14 years old and 124 lb? That's more in proportion for a young gymnast.

[TrackJunkie]

You can also start learning handstands by balancing with your hands on the floor and your feet against the wall. Once you can hold this position, you can practice bouncing your feet away from the wall.
Overhead presses will help with this, but there's enough involved in the motion that if you want to do it, you'll probably have to train it separately. The minute long plank should be no problem. I bet the L-sit will have to be trained too.