A decent article on Climate Change

[Mark Rippetoe]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opin...-30272650.html

In The Nation?

[Aaron Wilkes]

You mean to tell me that authoritative agencies with specific political agendas are willing to manipulate data to support said agenda? I won't believe it..... global warming MUST exist....

[Mark E. Hurling]

Heh. So the global cooling panic is has a cycle of it's own? So we're back to the 70's once again.

[Darkroman]

One thing to point out: The article does mention the antarctic having more ice, which the author failed to mention, only accounts for a third of the rapid loss of sea ice happening in the arctic. The arctic has been losing more ice since the 70s than the antarctic has been gaining ice. Some places have been getting warmer, while others have been getting cooler. The average temperature of the Earth as a whole has risen one degree celsius, which I honestly have no clue as to whether that means anything other than it's a tiny bit warmer on average.

With all that said, I'm less worried about anthropogenic climate-change and its correlation with different temperatures than I am about what we actually fucking breathe when we go outside. It's really retarded no one seems to care about that part, and just say "ERMAGHERD URTH GET WARM LOLZ".

[Eric K]

One thing to point out: The article does mention the antarctic having more ice, which the author failed to mention, only accounts for a third of the rapid loss of sea ice happening in the arctic. The arctic has been losing more ice since the 70s than the antarctic has been gaining ice. Some places have been getting warmer, while others have been getting cooler. The average temperature of the Earth as a whole has risen one degree celsius, which I honestly have no clue as to whether that means anything other than it's a tiny bit warmer on average.

With all that said, I'm less worried about anthropogenic climate-change and its correlation with different temperatures than I am about what we actually fucking breathe when we go outside. It's really retarded no one seems to care about that part, and just say "ERMAGHERD URTH GET WARM LOLZ".

It takes a lot of energy to raise the global average by one degree. Someone needs to let the climate know that it's just a hoax.

[Bragason]

It takes a lot of energy to raise the global average by one degree. Someone needs to let the climate know that it's just a hoax.

The sun produces a lot of it, we are working with big numbers.

[Suwannee Dave]

That is not The Nation; this is The Nation

[spacediver]

As someone who doesn't know much about the climate change controversy, I found this article interesting. One of the ways I like to learn about issues is to adopt the role of devil's advocate (relative to whatever information I'm confronted with), and see where that leads me. So, with that in mind, two of the major claims in this piece are that the the cycle(s) associated with sunspot activity account for more variation in global temperature than do greenhouse gases. The other is that data on global temperature is corrupted by the use of poor methods, and that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation should be taken as a serious proxy for global temperature.

A cursory bit of googling revealed substantial challenges to both these claims. Not sure if my post will get through if I post links, but it's not hard to find such information with a quick google search.

[Mark Rippetoe]

That is not The Nation; this is The Nation

Thank GOD. Now the world makes sense again.

[Eric K]

The sun produces a lot of it, we are working with big numbers.

It sure does!