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    Quote Originally Posted by RobCor View Post
    It may "feel" safe to you, but as we've discussed your back and hips make their way to the correct starting position anyway. Not being in control of that process, with a bar swinging around rather than moving straight up, is more dangerous to your back than the correct form that you are afraid of. Don't you agree?

    Someone with your post count knows that a huge number of the people that come here have not read the books. If some other guy showed up with clearly incorrect form, without explaining his history of injuries and other information, wouldn't you assume he or she hadn't read the books?

    Lastly, my squats are fine now. I hope you improve your cleans, as well.
    I would assume that, except I have clearly posted and stated many times about the books. My history of injuries are listed on the first post of my training log (which was started in Afghanistan without the benefit of the books that I now have.) This is why I posted videos- because I knew that I needed improvement. I appreciate the advice, which I am going to be following tomorrow. I'm glad to hear about your squats, now if only i can do the same for my power cleans. Thanks again Robcor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danish Viking View Post
    There's alot going on at the bottom of your squat. I couldnt get away with that much movement, but if you dont feel any ill effects, I guess it's non-consequential, considering it is a max effort. EDIT: Some of it might be fixed by looking down in stead of forward/up.

    As for the cleans I'm no expert but I noticed a funny thing: You do start the movement with your shoulders behind the bar, but as soon as it leaves the floor, your scapulae are in front of it. You might get a better pull off the floor getting the position correct from the floor. On the other hand I once was recommended by a good OL-coach to pull the bar "towards my shins" at the beginning of the movement - which is kinda what happens in your pull. But if you are following the SS-technique, you need to get shoulders forward, and your ass higher.

    And as mentioned your rack is enviable - and a 195 PC is pretty decent in my book.
    Thanks man. i can't argue with any of you- there is clearly work to be done on the bottom of my pull. I'll post back tomorrow. I may even take a new video to upload and see what you guys think.

    The squats were my current 5RM. I'll try to look down a bit more and see if it helps. It's always made me feel unbalanced, but that may be something that you get used to really fast. I'll try that as well tomorrow. Can you clarify what you mean when you say that theres a lot going on at the bottom of my squat? Is this something that you think may be fixed by a narrower stance as well?

    thanks for the compliment on my racking technique- i thought that was the worst part of my power clean lol.

    Edit: I just took a really hard look at the power cleans video, and it was really obvious. I lean forward as soon as I begin to pull. That is something I would have never noticed had I not had you guys point it out.
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    I narrowed my squat stance about 3 inches of width total and felt more sable in the hole, but had a more upright torso. During the worksets I stuck with the narrower stance, and just really concentrated on pushing my butt back, and my torso was back to normal.

    Power cleans were an epic failure. three of my sets of 200 ended with me doing high pulls. I correctly put my shoulder blade further forward, raised my hips a bit, andtightened up my back. The pull feels straigter now. I also feel that the rack is better, because before sometimes it would knock me back a tiny bit, and now it just settles straight down. I just didnt have as much strength in the new position though, and I'll have to work on it. I think I may have been thinking so much about my position in the beginning of the pull, that i was not thinking about snapping my traps in the second half of the pull.

    I'll give it another shot Friday. Thanks again for the advice guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John2336 View Post
    I was finally able to get my squat and power clean on video tommorow.
    Wait... Wha?

    Steve, the screen captures on video did an amazing job of describing the fault of starting with hips low and shoulders back. Nice one.

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    I'm pretty sure I meant "on video today." Pretty sure. Although I may have meant it as stated. Not to sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John2336 View Post
    I'm pretty sure I meant "on video today." Pretty sure. Although I may have meant it as stated. Not to sure.
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