Because I don't get to sleep for a few weeks: Hbbs vs LBBS

[John Hanley]

I frankly do not know.

Look at a DL versus a snatch grip DL. One cannot lift as much with a snatch grip DL because one is in a disadvantaged leverage position. The person who can snatch grip deadlift 500# is stronger than the one who can DL 500# with a normal width grip is he not? And it is not because of force production or length of travel -- it is because of the more cramped starting position.

A snatch-grip dl gives the lifter artificial t-tex arms...much longer ROM.

[Thomas Jones]

I agree and Thomas has his physics and metrics wrong but I won't get to fake going to the bathroom for awhile. Thomas how does force production increase in the lighter of two 1rms? What is work, Thomas? While this is not Germane to this argument, I'm curious to your reasoning.

Force production as measured at the bar is less with the lighter load, of course. But it increases when one is pushing "harder" against the same load with less leverage.

[Thomas Jones]

A snatch-grip dl gives the lifter artificial t-tex arms...much longer ROM.

True. But the failure occurs at the point of breaking it off the ground, more often than not, for the snatch grip DL, so the ROM is irrelevant.

[Mike C]

True. But the failure occurs at the point of breaking it off the ground, more often than not, for the snatch grip DL.

Isn't your grip also compromised by the angle of the forearms and the bar?

[Thomas Jones]

Isn't your grip also compromised by the angle of the forearms and the bar?

Sure, it could be. But I'll allow both folks to use wraps to remove grip from the equation. Who lifts more?

[Tall Texan]

You wouldn't be able to reach a 500lb snatch grip dl if that was the only deadlift variation you trained.

[Mike C]

Sure, it could be. But I'll allow both folks to use wraps to remove grip from the equation. Who lifts more?

The person with the shorter ROM, which is...

Honestly, though, I have no fucking idea.

[Thomas Jones]

You wouldn't be able to reach a 500lb snatch grip dl if that was the only deadlift variation you trained.

I can't get a regular 500lb DL no matter what I do. How is that relevant?

[Thomas Jones]

The person with the shorter ROM, which is...

Honestly, though, I have no fucking idea.

By which method can one break a heavier weight from the ground and move it the same distance (say, for fun 12")? Snatch DL or regular DL?

[MattJ.D.]

my knowledge of physics is rough but I've always wondered why HBBS is said to be more inefficient. In the HBBS dont the primary movers pushing more vertically require less force to move? With gravity being a straight downward force wouldnt moving the bar more vertically require the least resistance? As apposed to the more extreme angle created by the lean in the LBBS. Maybe Im simplifying the model too much.

all muscles pull there's not a single muscle that pushes in the human body