Wendler's 5/3/1 vs. Texas Method

[GesD]

Haha that coffee will be on. Can anyone show me a good template to start off with. I have SSPP 1st edition and it only gives examples for Squats and Presses. I'm about to buy the 2nd edition, is it anymore informative for the intermediate chapter. Also, how would accessory work go with this program.

Thank you

[TartanEagle]

PPST2 does have a sample program in the back. This sample looks very much like SS in that it is built around the same core exercises. You deadlift on volume day (1 set of 5), chins/back extensions on recovery day, and PC on intensity day (I think 8 sets of 3). I'm actually starting Texas method tomorrow, after considering 5/3/1 as well. I'll get as much as I can out of TM before moving to 5/3/1. Both look like great programs to me.

[Smack]

If you can handle it, the Texas Method will probably give you faster gains. 5/3/1's more versatile, though.

[MAD9692]

I suggest doing TM first. If not, you will definetly regret it later. Milk all the linear progression you can.

[hatmanii]

If you can handle it, the Texas Method will probably give you faster gains. 5/3/1's more versatile, though.

In terms of absolute strength, TM will give better results much faster, period. You will have to change programming sooner than 5/3/1, but that just means you then get to do 5/3/1 .

[GesD]

Thank You. I'm definitely going to start doing the Texas Method first. Would anyone be able to show me some sample TM template's they have done.

[PVC]

Does anyone know anything about Wendler's 5/3/1 for football?

http://www.flexcart.com/members/elit...d=134&pid=3388

I'm not a football player, but I'm interested in how conditioning work is combined with the weight training. The texas method seems like it would offer faster strength progression, but it also looks like your body would fall apart if you tried to do conditioning work on top of that program.

[isis]

GesD,
There's lots of discussion of Texas method program templates in this forum. Try googling this for starters:

site:startingstrength.com Texas method check

[beast]

I have the 5 3 1 football book and it is actually quite vague regarding conditioning, basically it says condition for a set time inteval and reduce time between sprints, hill running, prowler ect.. The other stuff about linear speed and medball stuff is quite specific but I don't think its necessary. The template for the off season, which I was interested in as I don't play sports had the imprssion that it was meant for high school kids- there is stacks of volume, mostly in the form of dips/pullups curls supersets 3-4 times a week. If you are doing 5 3 1 i would just buy the original manual as this has all the info and the templates and excersise selection bit is good.

[ZKP]

I too found the volume day on TM to be unpleasant. What I am experimenting with right now is a modification that might work a little better:

Day 1: Volume Upper Body
Day 2: Max Lower
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Max Upper
Day 5: Rest
Day 6: Volume Lower
Day 7: Rest

Yeah, I know it is not a "full body every time" thing, and that was tough to let go, but lots of lifters have been very successful with this kind of split, and it isn't like there's a dedicated arm day or anything like that. By splitting up the volume day, you can get it done in a reasonable amount of time, and can do some accessory stuff too. Each half has its own kind of TM stress-rest-test cycle going on - you have volume day, then a day where you do other stuff and a rest day, then intensity day. It's too early to say how well it will work compared to real TM, but so far I feel good and am making just as fast of progress as I would on TM. 5/3/1 wouldn't be enough time squatting for me and I don't like the idea of never doing sets across.

There's nothing sacred about a full body vs. Split routine. You'll do well with this, I'm sure. Upper/lower splits are pretty much necessary for powerlifting at a certain point. The question I'd pose in general is what's the hurry? You will not stall nearly as quickly on 5/3/1 and will have more time for assistance or conditioning, if these things suit you. You can also focus on one thing at a time. After a limit 5x5 of squats a truly hard bench workout is hardly possible. Either way they are both solid ways to make progress and both will suit anyone who puts the effort in.