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From what I understand, the "metabolic furnace theory" is that eating frequent small meals will keep the metabolism "revved up" and burn more fat. I didn't talk about this anywhere in my post. You are trying to change the subject when I call you on bullshit.Originally Posted by msingh
Of course I haven't had time to read his book in the last five minutes, but the first google hits reveal that Anthony Colpo has done some writing about cholesterol and about debunking the "metabolic advantage" theory. The metabolic advantage theory says that since it takes more energy to digest fat, so the effective calories are fewer.
This is not what I was talking about; I was talking about the effects of macronutrient ratios on hormone balance and fat metabolism.
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Metabolic Furnace, Metabolic Advantage, it's the same fallacy just expressed in different forms. What you described falls under the same class of wrong: ie certain ratios of macronutrient intake lend themselves to a given claimed benefit, however the mechanism. Do some reading, you haven't called anyone out on anything, bro.
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msingh, I don't mean this offensively (although it will probably come across that way). Don't you ever get tired of arguing based on stuff you've read and not experienced? I guess my point is that if you actually take some of the knowledge you've gained, apply it to yourself in a committed manner for a significant amount of time, and succeed (or even fail), then we would all listen to your thoughts and opinions a bit more. As it is though, you just come across as someone who reads too much and experiences far too little.
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For the love of god everybody stop talking about carbs in my thread right now. Its getting kinda gay in here, I am not worried about fitting into my favorite jeans. I am going to gain weight, I'm not trying to cut it, i'm not trying to restrict it... I'm just not trying to go ape-shit about it and eat 6kcals/day anymore. I did that, I gained 35-40 pounds of good bodyweight and I've since toned down the eating a little to gain more slowly.
I can try to get my lifts filmed, but the injuries are very well explained if you've read what I've said.
I was squatting wrong. I was in a rack that was crooked with the floor and it tricked my brain and made me turn my left foot in. I still pushed my knees out, so this combination put lots of sheer force on my left knee for many weeks in a row leading to a minor meniscus tear. I had a friend check my form. He saw this stupid mistake and I've fixed it. I've been training my squats properly ever since.
I was bench pressing with a PL form, elbows in and all that. I switched up to how Rip suggests and put my elbows out more. This, I knew, would stress the muscles on the front of my shoulders more, so I dropped the weight down to 135. Before learning PL form, i was doing it with my elbows out and I was stalling at 115. Well I guess I didn't develope those muscles and i hurt them. It is pretty clear what the issue is here again. I was benching more than the muscle that I hurt could handle.
Deadlifting, according to Rip in a recent post, just sometimes causes an intercostal tear. I was deadlfiting. I tore an intercostal. I wasn't using a weight that was out of my abilities as I was still getting good bar speed.
My warmup is usually 2.5 minute run (speed 6 or so) on the treadmill. 20 leg swings each side, 20 sideways leg swings each side, 10 side lunges each side, 10 bodyweight squats, 1x5 overhead squat with the bar, 1x5 back squat with the bar, then I will do 1x5 at approx 95lbs, then 4, 3, 2, 1 at progressively higher weights till my work weight. I think this is plenty of warmup. I don't pause for a SECOND during this warmup so I'm quite hot and sweaty when I finish it. I then rest before my work set.
Then I go to the bench. I do 10 reps with the empty bar fast, then I go up with 10lb plates on each side to my work weight starting at 5 reps and working down to 2 reps as I get close. Then I rest a short moment and do my sets.
On the deadlift I warmup less. 1x5 at 135, 1x5 at 225 then 1x5 at work weight. The day I goofed my rib I was not doing a normal workout because my shoulder was sore and I couldn't get it into a squat position. So I did extra warmup sets of deadlifts to start my workout. I decided that I'd do 2x5 of my work weight instead of 1x5. I was fresh and the barspeed was great. I was on my second set, fourth rep when the muscle tore.
I'm not here to ask if my form caused my injuries. I'm here to ask if after a long hiatus from the program if it is better to try to do a minor deload and go or start with a "First workout" scheme and go from there?
Last edited by MazdaMatt; 05-13-2010 at 09:02 AM.
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Metabolic advantage has been demonstrated in controlled animal studies. http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...rt/292/6/E1724
As far as I know, metabolic advantage has not been proven in human studies. I think there are several problems with the attempts that have been made at human studies:
1. not well controlled
2. short duration
3. small sample size
4. studies performed on sick and injured populations (hospital wards)
If you know of any good studies in humans, please post a link.
Low carb diets DO seem to help a lot of humans lose a lot of fat. Maybe you should try it before jumping on the bandwagon of the newest overzealous "expert".
(Sorry to hijack your thread MazdaMatt...)
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Yes, It's good to know what works for You, and giving your experience is helpful sometimes. But sometimes we miss the causes and effects -- we might think a diet works because we had cut carbs but not realise that in doign so we've impacted a 30% caloric reduction say, and this leads to fat loss, or maybe not. The point is, when it comes to figuring out the mechanisms on fat loss you turn to controlled studies by scientists, not on wishful theories of Taubes and Aedes, like the pseudoscientific metabolic advantage one which underlie lowcarb diets. In any case if somone wants to read the experts they can find the information on the web. If you control for calories then any combo of protein/fat/carbs works as long as protein is high. Yes i'm tired, i'll leave the OP to his thread now.
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This does not sound right to me. How about 1x5 60 kg, 1x3 100, 1x2 115, 1x1 130, 1x5 workweight, this gives you an evenly spaced set of monotonically increasing warmups.
Start with the first workout, which will allow you to judge where to start on. This will be higher than your original starting weight, that's cool. Then add 10 lb per workout for a week or two max, then drop down to normal increments. I think within a month you should aim to hit your previous maxes.I'm not here to ask if my form caused my injuries. I'm here to ask if after a long hiatus from the program if it is better to try to do a minor deload and go or start with a "First workout" scheme and go from there?
And paul, that's speaking from experience, someone who has done this process several times
Last edited by msingh; 05-13-2010 at 09:17 AM.
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It matters very little. I personally would consider rebaselining and going from there. As for your form, if you think you have it addressed, fine. You are an adult. But just consider whether $50-$100 for an o-lift consult might be a worthy investment.
This is going to be a problem and I highly recommend you reconsider this if you want to make progress. I have personal experience with pussing out and skipping workouts. It will hinder, if not COMPLETELY CEASE progress.
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Good, I was hoping I wouldn't have to rant again.And paul, that's speaking from experience, someone who has done this process several times
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Nice to see everybody playing nice
My comment about 3x a week was just a reality check. I PLAN to go 3x/week, but as a house owner and engineer that travels nearly every weekend, sometimes there's just too many things that need to be done in a week to handle it. I'm not planning on pussing out. I'm fully intending to go. I just know that in reality I won't hit the gym 156 times in the next 52 weeks. (see the latest EFTS article on optimal vs. reality).
I DO plan on getting some training with an oly coach when I'm clear of all injury-effect on my lifts. This will most likely be more oriented around the oly lifts, but I'll be asking about my form on the others.
It seems that the sober majority is suggesting I "rebaseline" or start fresh.
On Monday I will be getting a 10-day pass to a different gym and I'll be making the most of it by going MWFM as though I were a new SS starter. Monday and Wednesday I will baseline the lifts and then progress at 10lbs each from there. I will be there with a buddy of mine that also does SS and is very helpful with form cues.
Thanks.
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