Reply With QuoteIf you don't mind sharing, I am curious.for reasons that probably don't interest anyone.
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Fair enough. I never visit either of those threads for reasons that probably don't interest anyone.Originally Posted by Gumboots
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If you don't mind sharing, I am curious.for reasons that probably don't interest anyone.
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Meh, ToA never held my attention. There's some PRs but they're few and far between--it's a lot of other crap in there. The Lifters' Rankings is focused on 1RM in the main lifts. There's not a lot of inertia in either of those threads. Ideally it would be cool if there was a thread in the training section for all types of PRs. There would be daily updates and it would be a motivating thing. You wouldn't have to scour the logs to see what's up.
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If we broaden it out to include all kinds of PR's maybe it will it generate far more interest. Given SS is all about the 5 reps it would include more people.
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I'd also like to hear about using snatch grip high pulls. Some really strong lifters have written about them. Doug Hepburn recommended them, with weight increases once the lifter could "heave the bar as high as the pectorals" (Source here). Tommy Kono recommended them up to the max snatch weight, with the addition of a stick (to make the height objective - you hit the stick or you don't) (Source here). Jim Schmitz wrote a little blurb on the so-called "Tommy Kono Pulls" (Source here). Bill Starr also recommended them.
I would like to test driving the OLY lifts with the high pulls. My idea that if I can get a high pull to mid-chest height with a heavy weight (say 100lbs over max OLY lift), I should be able to pull the OLY lift high enough to balance out my slowness in "dropping under the bar". And if it is great at making my back huge - that works too.
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IMO the snatch grip high pull is the Olympic variation that most every general strength trainee and powerlifter should be using. The SGHP trains the triple extension movement with more weight, less training, and without the flexibility requirements of either the power clean or the snatch.
The more weight aspect potentially means a better training stimulus.
Less training required is very useful as a coach. I was finding that it took several sessions to get to a respectable power clean where I could have someone sghp within 20 minutes. Removing the requirement of the rack position and focusing entirely on the setup and pull decreases the skill requirement and increases the performance on the part of the lift that matters for carryover.
By removing the rack position or the overhead position as in the snatch, more people are able to perform the movement. This is especially true for intermediate and advanced power lifters with there reduced flexibility relating to the bench press and additional muscle mass. I have had one trainee who was still incapable relating to bony changes in the shoulder joint.
Why would a powerlifter do the movement however? Two good reasons. For one it builds the trap and upper back really really well. Secondly it teaches rapid hip extension which can help the lockout of the squat and deadlift. The hang position of the sghp mimics the hips back position of the middle of the squat and deadlift. With that said I phase it in and out as appropriate.
There are a couple issues with it. For one, the grip is fairly challenging as the weight gets high as the hands is wide. Lifting straps remediate this easily. Secondly, there is a small subjective opponent to what a full SGHP is. I use the nipple line generally. As mentioned others have used a bar. The alleviates the problem entirely but requires a setup.
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One of my training partners was an oly lifter and oly coach. He states that a good oly lifter should be able to snatch what they can snatch grip high pull. If you can pull it to nipple line you should be able to get under it. Its only an overload for those that are less skilled. If you want to bring up your oly lift maybe get better at dropping under? If you want a huge back and a stronger pull it definitely can help with both of those.
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In other words: Crossfit. But that bridge was burned a long long time ago.
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You're right. My intention is to use it to overload the lift. The OLY lifts are a tradeoff between pulling it high enough and getting under the bar. The higher I can pull it means I don't have to get as low to catch it successfully. It worked for Hepburn. I'll give it a good college try once my deadlift hits a certain number.
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You could also consider Olympic deadlifts for a really heavy overload. Let me know how it goes. I know that SGHP advanced my axle clean and log clean for strongman.
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