Do you include bodyweight when calculating percentages for weighted dips or pull-ups

[More4Less]

If I wanted to do a program that involved using percentages of rep maxes for weighted dips or push-ups, or pull-ups, would I need to include bodyweight in those calculations or can I just use the weight added?

[Mark Rippetoe]

Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training, 3rd edition – The Aasgaard Company

Practical Programming for Strength Training, 3rd edition – The Aasgaard Company

[Maybach]

The fact that this is the wrong place to ask this aside, what kind of fuckass program are you doing that uses percentages of 1rms on *different lifts* to program weighted dips or pull ups? If it uses the 1rm on the weighted BW exercises, obviously it means however those 1rms were taken. So you must be like, calculating them based on the bench? I have no idea how that program would work. It sounds literally insane.

[SouthernLifter]

The fact that this is the wrong place to ask this aside, what kind of fuckass program are you doing that uses percentages of 1rms on *different lifts* to program weighted dips or pull ups? If it uses the 1rm on the weighted BW exercises, obviously it means however those 1rms were taken. So you must be like, calculating them based on the bench? I have no idea how that program would work. It sounds literally insane.

It must be one of those fancy Russian 24-week progression programs with carefully crafted percentages in order to reach a "peak" after such weeks of accumulating massive amounts of volume on primary and auxiliary lifts alike.

I knew a guy who did that stuff. He was in love with the famous "smolov." He started it when his squat was 120kg and his deadlift was 140kg. Then he went to 150 squat and 180 deadlift or so, but had to redoing it 4 or 5 times. The guy was absolutely sure that without the smolov he would never have been able to do it, and you couldn't get him out of that mindset.

And the worst thing is that the guy was naturally big 6'1 and over 100 230 lbs and had interesting genetics, but he didn't know how to train and you couldn't tell him anything, he was convinced that if you lifted weights you had to train "like the Russians."

Then I remember that he hit a 195kg deadlift wall and did that for almost a year, eventually coming to the conclusion that "heavy weights weren't for him" and he became vegan and turned to fitness. True story, I give my word.

Sometimes I envy how stupid these people are, they just live in "a cloud of farts", as we say in Argentina.