Reply With QuoteI never used them like that. They were my heavy pulls, along with rack pulls.
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Haulting dl to reinforce setting back
My deadlift was never an issue until a year ago. I have been having issues setting my lower back for some reason, despite following the setup and all cues. It was brought up in an article referencing haulting deadlifts that they can help with setting the back and engaging the lats, so I was wondering if adding them in on a light day is a bad idea? Currently I do one heavy set of 3 and two heavy sets of five spaced out about 4-5 days. My poundage is going up very steadily, I began this as a linear progression at 275, switched to triples and a light day at 365, and am currently at 395 with no slowing down in sight. I just don’t know where I would plug them in, and from all I’ve seen posted they are pretty brutal to do.
My question is: is there a slot where haulting deadlifts can be plugged in while I am doing a heavy light split?
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I never used them like that. They were my heavy pulls, along with rack pulls.
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Two questions for you, Johnsonville:
1) How did you arrive at the current alternation of a heavy triple with two heavy fives?
2) What tells you that you are having trouble with setting your back?
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Got it, I’ll just have to set my back like everyone else, until it’s time to break the movement up. Appreciate it.Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
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I was given this program by a ssc years ago and have run it a few times. My set of 5 was on its last legs and I switched to triples probably a week or two early to keep progress going. My back can be particularly exhausted some days as I’m a stone mason and train right after work, and the triples are almost always a guarantee, but an end of lp set of five can be hit or miss after a hard day. I know fives are better generally and I should train at a time I’m more recovered, but this is where it fits in my schedule unfortunately, and I’m more training to feel better at work rather than chasing numbers at this particular time.
Some days I just feel a strain on my lower back during the beginning of the pull, nothing crazy, but enough for me to know it isn’t normal. I’d say it’s 40% of the time I feel my back strain; I was reading some articles about breaking up the movement and saw nick mention that haltings are good for some to tighten up the beginning of the pull (my own generalization of the article). My thought was to use them as a light pulling movement to really hammer in the bottom position, but I think it’s time to visit my local ssc again and have him set this straight. I’m very also open to any suggestions
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Triples are useful with certain lifters at certain weights.
The halting deadlift is the one of the two variations that does NOT give the lower back much rest. If you are feeling a strain on your low back, try a rack pull.
I myself have had mixed success with the broken up variations. The rack pull has provided some use for providing a "break" for the lower back, which is usually enough to resume progress on the full movement after a week or two. Haltings, for me at least, tend to be about as exhausting for me as the full pull: if I would have missed a rep on the full deadlift, I will miss a rep on the haltings.
You probably need to keep the full deadlift in your program at least until you're closing in on 500. I will say two heavy pulls a week (5s and triples) is a lot, and you could probably cut that down to just one of those. Are you power cleaning? If you're not, I promise you that helps more than you will expect.
It would be a very small thing to replace your heavy five with a set of low rack pulls at the same weight or slightly heavier for a single week and see if that lets some of the fatigue dissipate. It's still a heavy weight so it's not going to let you detrain: just resume your progression on the full lift the next week.
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