You know Oldster, I got certified as a massage therapist at the Santa Monica School of Massage in the People's Republic of Santa Monica some years back. I have a pretty good grip as you have noted, and I know how to use my knuckles, thumbs and elbows to good effect too from that training plus some mystic arts of the East that can cloud the mind of man. Only The Shadow knows, heh-heh-heh-heh. Dearly Beloved had back problems that turned out to be fibromyalgia. Just sayin.'