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    Do you mean that since he's so big, the running would act like strength training? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ion View Post
    As stated earlier, this took place before I found Rip's books. So the strength approach (or lack of approach) at that time were of the glossy mag kind. So since I never squatted I do not know but I would guess that my squat would have been pretty awful after 6 months of slowtwist fibre oriented training.

    What I did notice was that I basically had no vertical at all (which you notice pretty instantaneously if you like to play volleyball).
    Given that background, I can believe it. Before I learned how to lift from Starting Strength, when I was at my fattest and most sedentary, I decided to get off my ass and walk a mile 4 times a week. It made my legs bigger.

    As Rip said, it's the novice effect -- when your muscle development is low enough, pretty much anything you do, any increase in activity, will make you bigger and stronger. Even low-intensity running will do it because a novice's body is just that eager to grow muscle. And you said you were eating well, too, so it all fits together and makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg C View Post
    Patently Silly Bullshit.... it's called sprinting. All other things being equal, I can sprint (especially hills) and put mass on in my legs - anecdotal experience.

    To clarify, you could consider sprinting/hill sprinting as a "resistance"-level of running. However, you can still can mass doing it.
    Yes, I said that only resistance training will result in lean muscle gains. Your argument is absolutely horrible. First of all, read the context of the OP. He posted that he gained mass by preparing for a marathon.

    Then you argue that "sprinting" will add lean muscle...THEN you add on "hill sprinting" will add on muscle. Whats next? Sprinting uphill with sandbags and a weighted vest? Yes, I guess that would be considered running.

    BTW, how many runners do you know who sprint, never mind sprinting up hills? 1% of the LSD running population?

    I will reiterate...only resistance training adds muscle mass. Go ahead and sprint up hills if you want. I will be at the squat rack....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slevn81 View Post
    I want to make that clear before the OP goes off and tries some caloric restriction. He should really just do a consult with John, but it would also help if he educated himself a little better on the issue here
    Consult is happening tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Davis View Post
    However there could be some very favorable genetics involved. I know a guy who was about 35 lb overweight a few years ago and decided to drop weight. He did the absolute most awful plan I can imagine... I'm sure he didn't gain muscle, but he didn't seem to lose much. This guy is a naturally stocky and muscular guy. If most other people would've tried that, they would've ended up looking like a skinny-fat scarecrow.
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    They can do stupid shit and not lose much lean muscle mass because their body is moving toward homeostasis when they lose fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slevn81 View Post
    Enjoy stalling and backsliding? There's no need to be a dick about it.
    Obviously the fatty comment was a joke. But I'm sorry for being helpful. If you think the exercise plans in his OP sound reasonable, you are delusional. Three strength sessions at high volume (5x5), 2 xfit metcons, 3 45-minute LSD cardio sessions, and one long hike each week? I imagine many would stall on this on a calorie surplus.

    Do you really have any idea why the diets he tried don't work? There's a hell of a lot more to it than eating too much, and that's where John can help--if he doesn't have the right ideas about how and when to eat in order to lose weight...
    Yeah, if he wasn't losing weight he was eating too many calories. There's no way around that. The solution is to either eat less or exercise more. By my response you can tell why I think the latter is a poor choice (unless he really doesn't care about the temporary reduction in strength).

    Obviously WHAT you eat can affect how much fat is lost vs muscle, but most of that is determinant on protein intake. Keep it high and you will lose less muscle.

    It doesn't really need to be any more complicated than eat less and keep protein intake high for someone who is not lean already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick L. View Post
    Yes, I said that only resistance training will result in lean muscle gains. Your argument is absolutely horrible. First of all, read the context of the OP. He posted that he gained mass by preparing for a marathon.
    Yep, since there was no real "argument," it was horrible. Like I stated, it was anecdotal experience. To clarify - Marine-directed OCS. Our particular drill sergeant liked to run. Sprints. Frequently. And the OP (ion, who wasn't really the OP) didn't state what kind of training he did. I weighed in 20lbs heavier at the end of OCS than going in. And like Rip stated previously, this was definitely a novice effect experience. I suspect Ion's was as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick L. View Post
    Then you argue that "sprinting" will add lean muscle...THEN you add on "hill sprinting" will add on muscle. Whats next? Sprinting uphill with sandbags and a weighted vest? Yes, I guess that would be considered running.
    I thought some more and made an additional comment, that Rip was kind enough to insert. And yes, you are brilliant, those are all running.... genius.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick L. View Post
    BTW, how many runners do you know who sprint, never mind sprinting up hills? 1% of the LSD running population?
    Why do I care. LSD is stupid. I've said that a number of times here. Sprint training is much more effective as a conditioning method for effective use of time and maintaining LBM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick L. View Post
    I will reiterate...only resistance training adds muscle mass. Go ahead and sprint up hills if you want. I will be at the squat rack....
    Noted. Since I have other requirements on me than just getting strong, I will do just that. Thanks for your unrequested and not needed permission.

    Now, go re-read the novice effect, jackass.

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