Elbow pain,Medial epicondylitis, pin firing and bee bites - my experience and finding

[Keith]

About two months ago I had some pain in my shoulder and elbow after squatting. I get some elbow pain if I use too narrow of a grip.

I thought that I could fix it by massaging it. I used a lacrosse ball on my shoulder and a golf ball on my elbow.

At first it felt pleasant so I really dug in thinking more would be better. After about 15 minutes I realized that I was making it worse. It got painful enough that I had to take ibuprofen to sleep.

But when I woke the pain was gone and hasnt returned since. At first I concluded that using a lacrosse ball and a golf ball in the way I did was a stupid thing to do, since it just made it worse.

But maybe I just created a lot more inflammation?

[Suwannee Dave]

Could I take this same approach by using fire ants instead of bees?

Jeez, have you ever been bit by fire ants? Very painful and it leaves a pustulent sore. I think yellow jackets would be better. Bees die when they sting.

[Scaldrew]

Really?? There is a current therapeutic use for bee poison?

Apparently so.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...013914638.html

They say it helps with the AIDS.

[poser]

Jeez, have you ever been bit by fire ants? Very painful and it leaves a pustulent sore. I think yellow jackets would be better. Bees die when they sting.

I was thinking it would be easier to acquire and control. Find a "cow killer" ant, pick it up with tweezers, have it bite you a few precise locations. It's not easy to do that with a bee.

[swan]

Jeez, have you ever been bit by fire ants? Very painful and it leaves a pustulent sore. I think yellow jackets would be better. Bees die when they sting.

Beekeeper here. Just want to note that the yellow jacket is a wasp, and this therapy uses the venom of the honey bee. They are quite different animals. While the standard european honey bee that we have in the US is a generally docile pollinator or many plants and producer of tasty honey, yellow jackets are actually pests of honey bees and will attack bee hives and eat the bees, their larvae, and the honey.

[Mark Rippetoe]

I have been personally responsible for the agonizing deaths of tens of thousands of wasps. Fuck all of them.

[David Kirkham]

See: prolotherapy.

That pretty much describes it. I'm now rather doubtful the platelets did anything (unless someone can show me otherwise).

[Ranko]

A good friend of mine has very severe arthritis and he gets us to sting him with up to 50 bees at a time all over his body. He says it does wonders for opening up his joints and relieving pain. I never thought of trying this with bees. It's actually rather clever.

On a somewhat related note, I've been doing pin firing for my tennis elbow with chins and also for my shoulder using dips. It amazes me every time how well it works.

From personal experience I know that sting, no matter how unpleasant the moment when it happens, this little swelling later causes heavy heating that turns into a pleasant feeling, and a very good blood supply in this area.
A couple times during year, my father get a lot bee stings, probably a much more then 50. Now, he build a tolerance, he does not get swell at all. He is 67 years old and still work like construction worker, walking at least 5-10 kilometers every day. He is very strong and mobile. Except skiing in very young age, he never play or train any kind of sport.

It's a lot of anecdotes that beekeepers experienced old age in very good health and that it is related to the amount of bee venom to obtain in life.

So, for me it is very understandable why your friend use that protocol.