Reply With QuoteJust to be clear, are your criticisms also directed at the imperial college model?Originally Posted by abduality
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At the risk of turning this into a serious discussion: I have been trying to do that the entire time -- i.e. look carefully at the data people cited in support of their conclusions. Now, I've obviously not been able to look at literally every post that's been made, and I've definitely prioritized instances where problems or errors were just blatant.
But -- and I mean this seriously -- if you point me to the best contrary data set in your view, I will take an open-minded and careful look at it. And if I think it's solid and supports your conclusion, I will say so. And either way I'll explain my reasoning, so you'll be able to vet it.
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Just to be clear, are your criticisms also directed at the imperial college model?
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Just another way they're going to manipulate the data. The article mentions they want to categorize between 'deaths' and 'probable deaths'. Easy to see how that can get confusing for these wizards. If there's a will there's a way. And they have a will to keep the narrative rolling.....
Coronavirus: Why has NYC death toll suddenly surged? - BBC News
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You asked about an “unchecked” outbreak in response to criticism of the Imperial College model which was answered with cited data to which you provided a straw man response that was countered and you have yet to again respond. I’ll leave it up to you to locate the appropriate posts if you are indeed interested in discussing...I've obviously not been able to look at literally every post that's been made
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My apologies, I think there's been a misunderstanding. I was just trying to help you and everyone else understand the COVID19 death rate in Sweden in closer detail.
Anyway, here's an interesting website that contains a statistical detailing the weekly death rate in Sweden from 2015 up until 2020.
Statistics Sweden to publish preliminary statistics on deaths in Sweden
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Yeah, I heard about that one. Guess only a crazy person would question the government, it just wants to help.
Yeah, if it's "as dangerous as it sounds" to me, I'm not at all concerned. I'm sure there are on-the-ground type medical professionals in the organization who do good work (especially if tales that they were recommending travel restrictions in the early days are true). But I do not trust everyone above them sitting at a desk making decisions (especially if the tales that those travel restriction recommendations existed and were overruled and suppressed are true). When he announced that de-funding I was thrilled.
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Ohhh boy things are getting exciting now!
Sources believe coronavirus originated in Wuhan lab as part of China'''s efforts to compete with US | Fox News
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Looks like 4,000 criminals released from LA County Jails today... and gun shops are now closed (again) there.
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The fact that everyone is still trying to compare covid-19 to a regular flu season in this thread is absolutely depressing. This pandemic has already killed as many people as a typical flu season in about half the time WITH dramatic social interventions! When I last responded here there were ~13K deaths. Now there have been nearly 30K deaths and growing. That was 1 week ago! Yes, the original model (which was based on if the virus ran through the country without interventions) overestimated the number of deaths. But as was mentioned, those models were what was expected to happen if we did nothing. The interventions are working. If the interventions were lifted, would you really want to go to a movie, concert, or large sporting event anytime soon?
Is now the time to open the country back up? I would agree that the timeline for this should be based on where you live and some areas are closer than others. Does rural Montana require the same constraints as NYC? Probably not. However, proper protocols need to be put in place before this happens. We need appropriate testing so contact tracing can be performed, which is not happening. What we are left with is an administration that did not take this virus seriously at the onset. Established poor procedures and protocols which allowed this to spread rapidly. We have an administration who wanted to promote propaganda and falsehoods. Oops, it turns out hydroxycholoroquine isn't all that effective against the virus based on the most recent studies. We have an administration who is too worried about blaming others than developing solutions. We are now attempting to defund the World Health Organization?? WTF?!? When did the WHO become the enemy? The United States is doing far worse than most other countries when it comes to dealing with this. Instead, we have a President who is more concerned with putting his name on paper stimulus checks (likely delaying when people will receive them) to score some political points for the election. What episode of the twilight zone is this?
The lack of leadership and piss poor response we have had to this pandemic is going to do nothing more than prolong it, which will do far further damage to the economy in the long run. So maybe some of the folks that I was arguing with have a point. We should simply have done nothing and let this thing run its course, costing possibly millions of lives. Given this country's lack of leadership we will be digging ourselves out of this for a long time after other countries have recovered. Most of the world will probably end up with a travel ban on Americans if this keeps up. I guess that is how we are making america great again.
I guess that would be a failure of the criminal justice system if we released 4000 inmates convicted of nonviolent crimes and they all turn violent after their release.
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Could be. Let's not forget that the US no doubt pissed off the PRC when there was bi-partisan resolution from Congress in support of the Hong Kong protests. Personally, I'm of the belief or Intelligence Community fomented those protests to bring additional pressure on the PRC during trade negotiations last year. This belief is based mainly on how quickly those protests died down after the trade agreement was settled.
War by other means.
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